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From: Benjamin Riefenstahl <b.riefenstahl@turtle-trading.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: nimawebgard@gmail.com, 28339@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#28339: 25.2; Emacs shows ZWNJ character (Zero Width non-Joiner) as Space
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:05:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fubmy0ws.fsf@blei.turtle-trading.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r2v6k09t.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 16 Sep 2017 20:42:54 +0300")

>> From: Benjamin Riefenstahl <b.riefenstahl@turtle-trading.net>
>> I thought that with OpenType at least that depends on the font?

Eli Zaretskii writes:
> It does, but Handa-san seems to say that even the best fonts don't
> consider ZWNJ part of any grapheme cluster, and always leave it alone.

It breaks shaping and ligatures, so the result is not a cluster by
definition, I think.  To the contrary, it breaks the cluster.  Or maybe
the terminology confuses me.

>> For editing, I would like a hair-line type glyph to delete.
>
> We already have a solution for deleting a character which was composed
> with the preceding one(s).  So I think this aspects doesn't have to be
> a factor in our decision how to display ZWNJ.

What I mean is, I would want to see something that I can delete (and
re-add) on its own, with the only other conseqence that the neighboring
characters change shape.

>> * Hightlighting ZWNJ in read-only text while searching for it with
>>   incremental search.
>
> In general, search should ignore ZWNJ and similar controls, at least
> the "folding" search.

I was thinking about searching explicitly for ZWNJ, e.g. to find and
delete wrong uses, or to find out how another auther has achieved a
particular effect.

>> * User-specified replacement via display tables. 
>
> We already have the glyphless-char-display-control feature for that.

Right, I was thinking, if I wanted to implement ZWNJ as a glyph and I
did not want to rely on the font to provide a glyph, I would create my
own glyph and use that.  But I would want the user to be able to replace
it.

benny





  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-16 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-03 15:57 bug#28339: 25.2; Emacs shows ZWNJ character (Zero Width non-Joiner) as Space Nima Aryan
2017-09-03 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 17:11   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 19:31     ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04  4:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-04  5:05         ` sadid sahami
2017-09-04  9:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-04 11:43             ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04 11:49               ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04 12:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-06 23:25           ` handa
2017-09-07  2:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_0RgoW6NL-N3yLA_io38-y8noymU4gGwEbLGcDV4AX9_g@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-10 23:08   ` handa
2017-09-11 16:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13 14:06       ` handa
2017-09-13 15:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-14 12:24           ` handa
2017-09-14 17:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16  1:32               ` handa
2017-09-16  4:05                 ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-16  7:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 17:30               ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2017-09-16 17:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 18:05                   ` Benjamin Riefenstahl [this message]
2017-09-16 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 18:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18  1:52                   ` handa
2017-09-18 15:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-19 12:18                       ` handa
2017-09-20  7:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 15:22                     ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2017-09-14 21:13           ` Nima Aryan
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_2w50RrBiaWV1dpg760cUpamy1nZdRgrwJKAjESq3no3Q@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-13 14:02   ` handa
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_3tLC71X6-jvH2XD-6qX8O=KE5wHa561QPk-w2OoCX9HA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-16 12:36   ` handa
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_2MWgjoEEm6Rp5+5uOdMk-RbFWzaCrweo=pbdzAaq8btA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-10-06 10:05   ` handa
2017-10-06 12:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-07  1:11       ` handa
2020-09-04  5:12       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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