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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: handa <handa@gnu.org>
Cc: b.riefenstahl@turtle-trading.net, nimawebgard@gmail.com,
	28339@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#28339: 25.2; Emacs shows ZWNJ character (Zero Width non-Joiner) as Space
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 18:16:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h8w0hwa7.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871sn4srh2.fsf@gnu.org> (message from handa on Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:52:41 +0900)

> From: handa <handa@gnu.org>
> Cc: b.riefenstahl@turtle-trading.net, nimawebgard@gmail.com, 28339@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:52:41 +0900
> 
> > > I thought that with OpenType at least that depends on the font?
> 
> > It does, but Handa-san seems to say that even the best fonts don't
> > consider ZWNJ part of any grapheme cluster, and always leave it alone.
> 
> I checked the GSUB table of "Courier New" font (cour.ttf) using the
> program ttx (included in fonttools package of Ubuntu).  It surely
> contains many rules with ZWNJ, but none of them are with Arabic
> characters.  So, I suspect that absorbing of ZWNJ for Arabic is done by
> a layout engine (halfbuzz? uniscribe?) or by an application level
> library (pango?).
> 
> > > For editing, I would like a hair-line type glyph to delete.
> 
> > We already have a solution for deleting a character which was composed
> > with the preceding one(s).  So I think this aspects doesn't have to be
> > a factor in our decision how to display ZWNJ.
> 
> Isn't there a case that ZWNJ is prepeneded to a character to change the
> shape of the following character?

I don't see this in Unicode, but maybe I'm missing something.

Anyway, what would you suggest as a solution to this issue?  Should we
install the arabic-font-shape-gstring function into Emacs?  Do we need
to do something else in addition?  E.g., do we need to make the
display of ZWNJ optional?

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-18 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-03 15:57 bug#28339: 25.2; Emacs shows ZWNJ character (Zero Width non-Joiner) as Space Nima Aryan
2017-09-03 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 17:11   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 19:31     ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04  4:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-04  5:05         ` sadid sahami
2017-09-04  9:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-04 11:43             ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04 11:49               ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-04 12:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-06 23:25           ` handa
2017-09-07  2:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_0RgoW6NL-N3yLA_io38-y8noymU4gGwEbLGcDV4AX9_g@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-10 23:08   ` handa
2017-09-11 16:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-13 14:06       ` handa
2017-09-13 15:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-14 12:24           ` handa
2017-09-14 17:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16  1:32               ` handa
2017-09-16  4:05                 ` Nima Aryan
2017-09-16  7:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 17:30               ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2017-09-16 17:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 18:05                   ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2017-09-16 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-16 18:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18  1:52                   ` handa
2017-09-18 15:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-09-19 12:18                       ` handa
2017-09-20  7:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-18 15:22                     ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2017-09-14 21:13           ` Nima Aryan
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_2w50RrBiaWV1dpg760cUpamy1nZdRgrwJKAjESq3no3Q@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-13 14:02   ` handa
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_3tLC71X6-jvH2XD-6qX8O=KE5wHa561QPk-w2OoCX9HA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-16 12:36   ` handa
     [not found] ` <CALp2H_2MWgjoEEm6Rp5+5uOdMk-RbFWzaCrweo=pbdzAaq8btA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-10-06 10:05   ` handa
2017-10-06 12:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-10-07  1:11       ` handa
2020-09-04  5:12       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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