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From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: arunisaac@systemreboot.net, 58070@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58070: [PATCH] Add tamil99 input method
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 20:08:29 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edvzr02i.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y1u7leh9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:23:46 +0300")

[ஞாயிறு செப்டம்பர் 25, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>
>> Cc: arunisaac@systemreboot.net,  58070@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 19:44:44 +0530
>> 
>> [ஞாயிறு செப்டம்பர் 25, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> 
>> >> AFAIK, MS Windows' tamil99 keyboard layout behaves like mine, whereas
>> >> the ibus layout behaves like your implementation.  If you are a heavy
>> >> user of this layout, can you try out the attached?
>> >
>> > Please note that we could have support for both layouts, there's no
>> > particular reason we should have only one.
>> 
>> Yes of course but I'm afraid that it will create unneeded confusion,
>> since the differences are quite subtle.
>
> Why do you think it will confuse users to have two input methods, each
> one for one of the layouts?  If the supported layout is clearly stated
> in the documentation (or even in the name of the IM), why would it
> confuse?

They are both named "Tamil99", just slightly different implementations.
In that case, how do you propose to name these slightly different
implementations that have a single name---Tamil99?  They are identical
majorly in that they both have the same layout but the "special rules"
intended to ease the pain of typing Tamil in a computer are handled
differently.
If you prefer, I can quote the spec and explain the differences between
Windows' and ibus' implementations.

> Please note that we already have several examples where different
> input methods for the same language are offered, one each for every
> keyboard layout we think users could find useful.  Is Tamil different
> in some way?

No, Tamil is not any different.  But the confusion is caused by the
_implementation detail_.  Since the specs is not clear enough [1], you
end up with subtly different implementations of the keyboard layout.

>> So I would prefer the layout which is familiar to most users to get
>> in core.
>
> If one of the layouts comes from Windows, the other from Unix, we are
> likely to have two large groups of users, each one of which is
> familiar with a different layout.  Why not offer them both what they
> are familiar with?

Microsoft added the layout in 2018 in Windows 10.  I have no idea when
the ibus layout was added.  We could offer both, but Someone™ will need
to come up with a clear name.

I hope my stance is now clear.

[1] http://www.tamilvu.org/tkbd/Tamil_Unicode_G.O.zip





  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-25 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-25 10:00 bug#58070: [PATCH 0/1] Add tamil99 input method Arun Isaac
2022-09-25 10:02 ` bug#58070: [PATCH] " Arun Isaac
2022-09-25 11:38   ` Visuwesh
2022-09-25 13:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-25 14:14       ` Visuwesh
2022-09-25 14:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-25 14:38           ` Visuwesh [this message]
2022-09-25 15:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-26 20:59               ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-27  6:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27 20:34                   ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-26 20:55     ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-27  1:49       ` Visuwesh
2022-09-27  2:29         ` Visuwesh
2022-09-27  6:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27  7:34           ` Visuwesh
2022-09-27  7:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27  9:24               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-27  9:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27 10:11               ` Visuwesh
2022-09-27 20:32         ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-27  6:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27  7:52         ` Visuwesh
2022-09-27  8:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-27 10:15             ` Visuwesh
2022-10-12  8:40             ` Arun Isaac
2022-10-12 14:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15  8:23                 ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-27 20:19           ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-27 20:26         ` Arun Isaac
2022-09-28  2:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-25 10:13 ` bug#58070: [PATCH 0/1] " Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-25 11:16   ` Arun Isaac
2022-10-12  8:41     ` Arun Isaac
2022-10-12 13:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15  8:34         ` Arun Isaac
2022-10-15  9:16           ` bug#58070: [PATCH v2] " Arun Isaac
2022-10-15 14:42           ` bug#58070: [PATCH 0/1] " Visuwesh
2022-10-18  7:11             ` Arun Isaac
2022-10-18 18:00               ` bug#58070: [PATCH v3] " Arun Isaac
2022-10-19 11:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii

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