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Sun, 25 Sep 2022 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83y1u7leh9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:23:46 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:243598 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=9A=E0=AF=86= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AE=AE=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=8D 25= , 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Visuwesh >> Cc: arunisaac@systemreboot.net, 58070@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 19:44:44 +0530 >>=20 >> [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=9A=E0=AF= =86=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AE=AE=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=B0=E0=AF=8D= 25, 2022] Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>=20 >> >> AFAIK, MS Windows' tamil99 keyboard layout behaves like mine, whereas >> >> the ibus layout behaves like your implementation. If you are a heavy >> >> user of this layout, can you try out the attached? >> > >> > Please note that we could have support for both layouts, there's no >> > particular reason we should have only one. >>=20 >> Yes of course but I'm afraid that it will create unneeded confusion, >> since the differences are quite subtle. > > Why do you think it will confuse users to have two input methods, each > one for one of the layouts? If the supported layout is clearly stated > in the documentation (or even in the name of the IM), why would it > confuse? They are both named "Tamil99", just slightly different implementations. In that case, how do you propose to name these slightly different implementations that have a single name---Tamil99? They are identical majorly in that they both have the same layout but the "special rules" intended to ease the pain of typing Tamil in a computer are handled differently. If you prefer, I can quote the spec and explain the differences between Windows' and ibus' implementations. > Please note that we already have several examples where different > input methods for the same language are offered, one each for every > keyboard layout we think users could find useful. Is Tamil different > in some way? No, Tamil is not any different. But the confusion is caused by the _implementation detail_. Since the specs is not clear enough [1], you end up with subtly different implementations of the keyboard layout. >> So I would prefer the layout which is familiar to most users to get >> in core. > > If one of the layouts comes from Windows, the other from Unix, we are > likely to have two large groups of users, each one of which is > familiar with a different layout. Why not offer them both what they > are familiar with? Microsoft added the layout in 2018 in Windows 10. I have no idea when the ibus layout was added. We could offer both, but Someone=E2=84=A2 will = need to come up with a clear name. I hope my stance is now clear. [1] http://www.tamilvu.org/tkbd/Tamil_Unicode_G.O.zip