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From: Petteri Hintsanen <petterih@iki.fi>
To: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 15:59:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edqn6pmc.fsf@iki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> It's a losing battle, but: every joke makes someone uncomfortable.
> The only way of making no one uncomfortable is to never joke, and what
> a sad world would that be!  (Come to think about, the only way to
> never make someone uncomfortable is to say nothing at all.)

I tend to agree here.

Looking at the big picture, Gnus manual is full of jokes, irony,
self-deprecation, and other literary devices.  It is a losing battle to
try to somehow clean it up by cutting some, possibly objectionable or
confusing, thorns.  The manual is full of them.

The whole manual should be rewritten, if one wants to have it written in
"neutral" style -- whatever that would be.  For the sake of argument,
let's say that "without literary gimmicks of any kind."

I _personally_ find the current Gnus manual a creative work that clearly
reflects its author's personality, which I consider a benefit.  For me
the manual is mostly amusing, occasionally annoying, and, at some
points, downright hilarious, like the completely out of scope "note"
about hazy trance.  OTOH, I like Lars' writing style and his sense of
humor.  I understand others may not.  It's okay, we are different.

As for adjusting the tone of the current manual, I don't see much return
of investment.  That energy would be better spent elsewhere.  I'd leave
the current manual as-is.

Thanks,
Petteri






  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-18 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06 16:01 bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:20 ` dick
2023-02-12  6:11   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-06 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-06 16:38   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:42     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:51     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-06 17:04       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-18 13:59   ` Petteri Hintsanen [this message]
2023-02-19 10:43     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20  5:18     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-06 17:23 ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-06 17:49   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 18:37     ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-06 18:45       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07  2:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 11:24   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 12:36     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 13:01       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 14:03         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 14:43           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 15:10             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 16:15               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08  1:28                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 11:40                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08 11:41                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 11:59                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08 12:50                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-15 14:55                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:29                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:25                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-18  4:19                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-18 11:14                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20  5:19                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22 13:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-25  4:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 12:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-12  6:38                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-09  4:28           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-07 19:45         ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-07 19:56           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-09  4:28         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-07 14:15       ` dick
2023-02-07 15:09         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 15:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-08  8:11             ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 12:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-08 12:59                 ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 15:41       ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09  4:28         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-09 16:44           ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-12  4:03             ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08  4:31   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08  4:46     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-12  6:46       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-15 14:47       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:27         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:38           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-17  5:22         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19  4:50           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19  5:04             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-22  4:33               ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22  6:02                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-26  2:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 13:06     ` dick
2023-02-08 15:35       ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 16:06         ` dick
2023-02-15 14:37     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:34       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:49         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-19  4:50           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19 10:36             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-19 11:01               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-19 11:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-20 11:50                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 12:34                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-07 13:29                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-07 20:02                       ` No Wayman
2023-03-07 20:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-19 12:24               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-19 13:05                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-19 13:45                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-20 18:29                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-21  2:30                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-22  4:34                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22  4:35                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-07 13:48                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-08  0:22                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-08 14:05                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09  1:14                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-10  4:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-10  7:03                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-09  4:28                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-08  5:34                         ` Jean Louis
2023-03-08 14:13                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09  1:21                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 14:50                             ` Jean Louis
2023-03-09  4:26                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-10 11:33                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 11:34                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 12:06                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-10 12:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:41                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 15:01                               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19 15:56                 ` Drew Adams
2023-02-20 12:00                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 12:37                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-20 14:28                     ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-20 14:34                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 17:01                     ` Drew Adams
2023-02-20 11:55                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-27  3:26               ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19  5:07           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-18  4:19       ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19 10:25         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-15 15:34     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-15 16:00       ` Robert Pluim
2023-02-18  4:19         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-17  5:24       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19  4:50         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 13:42 ` Visuwesh
2023-02-12  6:56   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-12  6:32 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14  4:51   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-14 11:17     ` Jean Louis
2023-03-09  4:05 ` Sam James
2023-03-09 14:10   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 14:17     ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-09 16:57       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 17:06         ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-09 20:10       ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2023-03-10 10:53   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 15:05     ` Jean Louis
2023-09-06  6:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-06  7:10   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06  7:30     ` Stefan Kangas

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