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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Cc: 46351@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#46351: 28.0.50; Add convenient way to bypass Eshell's own pipelining
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 14:51:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czlkbxnh.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tuex1yzo.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Fri, 24 Dec 2021 14:20:27 -0700")

Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> writes:

> Hello,

Hi Sean,

>> Maybe we could add it to the defaults. But at least I would
>> like to see it documented in the eshell manual, otherwise nobody will
>> know the effect of "!!".
>
> I'm attaching new patches which
>
> - switch !! to ||, because !! in shells typically has something to do
>   with rerunning the last command
>
> - activate the syntax by default -- I do use Eshell regularly myself,
>   and I don't believe that activating it by default is likely to disrupt
>   anyone's usage
>
> - adds a section to the Eshell manual introducing the new syntax.

Thanks! I've played a little bit with it.

>> And I have the impression, that the eshell history is not preserved any
>> longer, when I have applied these settings.
>
> I have not been able to reproduce this -- can you confirm?

Yep, the eshell history is there. However, it looks a little bit weird,
when I have applied '|| cat .emacs | grep a'. The history shows me
'eshell-shell-command "cat .emacs | grep a"' instead. I understand
what's meant, but is this convenient for an occasional eshell user?

>> It doesn't work for me. The reason is a little bit subtle: you use
>> `shell-file-name' in order to call a remote shell. In my case, it is
>> "/usr/local/bin/tcsh", which doesn't exist on the remote machine I've
>> used for testing.
>
> I was able to fix this by using `with-connection-local-variables'.
> Thank you for pointing out the problem.

This is fixed, indeed.

Thinking more about, perhaps we could solve it a little bit
differently. Eshell knows how to invoke external commands explicitly, by
prefixing the command with a star like '*ls'. What if we do it the same
with pipes? That means, '*|' would mean to call an external pipe. So my
command above would be 'cat .emacs *| grep a'. And an external pipe
shall convert all other commands in that line into external commands as
well, like '*cat .emacs *| *grep a'.

By this you wouldn't need your restore-unexpanded-input patch any more, yes?

WDYT?

Best regards, Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-25 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-06 20:06 bug#46351: 28.0.50; Add convenient way to bypass Eshell's own pipelining Sean Whitton
2021-02-07  9:17 ` Michael Albinus
2021-02-07 19:01   ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-08 10:28     ` Michael Albinus
2021-02-08 18:07       ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-10 11:33         ` Michael Albinus
2021-12-24 21:20       ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-25 13:51         ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2021-12-25 22:45           ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-27 14:42             ` Michael Albinus
2021-12-27 18:13               ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-27 18:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-27 19:21                   ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-27 19:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-27 19:53                       ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-27 19:37                     ` Michael Albinus
2021-12-27 19:54                       ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-28  8:58                         ` Michael Albinus
2022-01-18  5:19                           ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-18  9:49                             ` Robert Pluim
2022-01-18 18:27                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-18 14:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 18:40                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-18 19:38                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 23:16                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-19  7:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-19 20:39                                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-20  6:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-20 22:16                                           ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-21  6:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-22  0:16                                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-18 18:42                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-19 15:52                             ` Michael Albinus
2022-01-19 20:54                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-20 18:41                                 ` Michael Albinus
2022-01-20 22:17                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-23 22:39                             ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-24  9:55                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-24 14:18                               ` Michael Albinus
2022-01-24 20:32                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-24 20:44                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-24 20:48                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-24 21:42                                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-24 21:51                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-24 22:48                                           ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-24 20:46                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-25  2:39                                     ` Jim Porter
2022-01-25  5:33                                       ` bug#53518: 29.0.50; em-extpipe breaks input of sharp-quoted Lisp symbols Sean Whitton
2022-01-25  8:50                                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-25 12:26                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-25 16:48                                           ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-26  5:38                                             ` Jim Porter
2022-01-26 13:13                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-01-25 18:14                                         ` Jim Porter
2022-01-25 20:01                                           ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-25 20:52                                             ` Jim Porter
2022-01-25 22:38                                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-25  8:54                                       ` bug#46351: 28.0.50; Add convenient way to bypass Eshell's own pipelining Michael Albinus
2022-01-25 18:22                                         ` Jim Porter
2021-12-27 18:26                 ` Michael Albinus

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