bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

24.3.50; Org-8.0 on trunk: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new
export options

All exporters are new and I expect the below command to report something
interesting.  

Please review and correctly tag defcustoms declared in ox.el and ox-*.el
are 

More details here: 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00474.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00475.html

In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.7 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2013-11-13 on debian-6.05
Bzr revision: 115084 bzg@gnu.org-20131112201421-0nj2dry7fdghp3h9
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze)

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:29:55 +0530
> 
> 24.3.50; Org-8.0 on trunk: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new
> export options
> 
> All exporters are new and I expect the below command to report something
> interesting.  
> 
> Please review and correctly tag defcustoms declared in ox.el and ox-*.el
> are 
> 
> More details here: 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00474.html
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00475.html

Stop this.  That discussion you mention clearly indicated that the
maintainers think there's no bug here, and won't fix it.

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Stop this.  That discussion you mention clearly indicated that the
> maintainers think there's no bug here, and won't fix it.

When a library is distributed with Emacs it needs to conform to certain
conventions.  

I use 

    M-x customize-changed 

to explore new options.

It is ONE of the standard ways to explore new features.

You are really willing to let go of standard conventions and practices
seems to me like the case of a tail wagging the dog.

Look at the facts and make up your mind.  

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
> Cc: 15896-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:27:45 +0530
> 
> Look at the facts and make up your mind.  

I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Look at the facts and make up your mind.  
>
> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

Funny.

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.

I am not the only exception.  See this post, where the change in the
prefix is affecting existing customization.  One of the suggestions I
made was to establish an alias or an obsolete alias for defcustoms.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-11/msg00601.html

,----  From that post:
|
| The name of the variable is org-export-with-sub-superscripts.
| 
| Maybe org-use-sub-superscripts is a remnant that should be deleted: not
| sure why it is still around. I note that it is defined and used in
| org.el, whereas org-export-with-sub-superscripts is defined and used in
| ox.el.
`----

In my frank opinion, you fall in to the errro of mixing the message and
the medium.

This bug was dissmissed merely because it came from me...

Bastien was not involved with exporters (in any sense) and he wants to
avoid grunt work by being argumentative with me.  Now, if you are siding
with his arguments and not make up your mind, you are just being
whimsical.  

It was rude of you to close the bug of which you nothing about.

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Bastien]

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes:

>> I already did, as did everyone else.  You are the only exception.
>
> I am not the only exception.  See this post, where the change in the
> prefix is affecting existing customization.  One of the suggestions I
> made was to establish an alias or an obsolete alias for defcustoms.
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-11/msg00601.html

I enhanced the docstrings of `org-export-with-sub-superscripts' and
`org-use-sub-superscripts' to explain the decoupling of these two
variables since 8.0, and I fixed the :version and :version-package.

Thanks for the heads up.

-- 
 Bastien

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> I enhanced the docstrings of `org-export-with-sub-superscripts' and
> `org-use-sub-superscripts' to explain the decoupling of these two
> variables since 8.0, and I fixed the :version and :version-package.

You are good at PR.  There are more variables that need work...

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[David Engster]

Jambunathan K. writes:
> It was rude of you to close the bug of which you nothing about.

It was rude of you to close all your existing bugs. Did it cross your
mind that maybe people already started working on those? This is not
a playground for your ego trips.

-David

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[Jambunathan K]

David Engster <deng@randomsample.de> writes:

> This is not a playground for your ego trips.

Or Eli Zaretskii's.  That's precisely my point.

bug#15896: 24.3.50; Org-8.0: M-x customize-changed 24.3 doesn't show new export options

[David Engster]

Jambunathan K. writes:
> David Engster <deng@randomsample.de> writes:
>
>> This is not a playground for your ego trips.
>
> Or Eli Zaretskii's.  That's precisely my point.

Nobody cares for your "points" if you're pulling stunts like closing all
bugs you've opened. I for one am done talking to you.

-David