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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Christopher Wellons <wellons@nullprogram.com>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	andreyk.mad@gmail.com, 41531@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41531: 27.0.91; Better handle asynchronous eldoc backends
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 12:26:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878sh1lpn6.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvmu5jyhm2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 03 Jun 2020 17:21:53 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> You mean a single call could return first a function signature and
>>> a while later a docstring?
>> No, that's not what I mean.  Those should be two different members of
>> eldoc-documentation-functions (plural).
> Great.

Indeed, I can see 3 eldoc sources for emacs-lisp mode, in this order:

- function signature
- docstring
- special variable value

If emacs-lisp-mode one uses the default display strategy
(eldoc-documentation-default or some rename of that) and sets
eldoc-echo-area-use-multiline-p to 1, it should be fully backward
compatible to the current behaviour.

Alternatively, we can have emacs-lisp-mode keep out of
eldoc-echo-area-use-multiline-p and use 4 sources:

- function signature
- one-line docstring
- special variable value
- remaining paragraphs of docstring

( At some point, if we compose all of these bits of information in the
volatile *eldoc* buffer, it will start looking a lot like *Help* for C-h
o, There's some integration work to do there, but I'd rather not open
that can of worms just now. )

>>>> The callback strategy makes it easy because there are lambda lists of
>>>> all shapes and sizes.
>>> It's trivial to use a list to bring the number back down to 1, so it's
>>> not much of a difference.
>> Yes, I agree, but it's IMO easier to read (funcall cb :foo 42 :baz 23)
>> than (set-value fut (list :foo 42 :baz 23)).
>
> I find the difference largely irrelevant.  Much more important is
> what kinds of :foo and bar are allowed and what they do.

I agree.  Content is more important than style.  Of course style
matters, too.  Occasionally, it matters overwhelmingly.  But not
here. I'd say.  The promises-vs-callbacks discussion is a matter of
style.

>> In fact, a much better name for eldoc-documentation-function (singular)
>> is eldoc-documentation-strategy, not least because it relieves us from
>> this silly singular/plural confusion.
>
> Sounds very good.  Changing its name will make it possible to fix the
> current backward-incompatibility (which we'd fix by re-introducing a(n
> obsolete) eldoc-documentation-function).

Yes, that's the plan.

João





  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-05 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-25 17:04 bug#41531: 27.0.91; Better handle asynchronous eldoc backends João Távora
2020-05-25 23:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26  1:21   ` João Távora
2020-05-26 13:57     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 16:03       ` João Távora
2020-05-26 19:14         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 20:00           ` João Távora
2020-05-27 21:14             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-27 22:13               ` João Távora
2020-05-27 23:35                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-27 23:57                   ` João Távora
2020-05-26  2:38   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-26 11:22     ` João Távora
2020-05-26 14:53       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-26 15:19         ` João Távora
2020-05-26 15:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-26 16:26             ` João Távora
2020-05-26 17:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-26 18:49                 ` João Távora
2020-06-03  2:45                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-03 18:07                     ` João Távora
2020-06-03 20:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-03 20:36                         ` João Távora
2020-06-03 21:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-05 11:26                             ` João Távora [this message]
2020-06-03 21:28                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-06  1:57         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 13:32     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 16:56       ` João Távora
2020-06-03 18:56 ` bug#41531: 28.0.50; proper Eldoc async support João Távora
2020-06-04 16:20   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-06-04 18:22     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-04 19:00       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-06-05 22:53         ` João Távora
2020-06-05 11:00     ` João Távora
2020-06-05 17:50       ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-06-05 23:25         ` João Távora
2020-06-05 23:28         ` João Távora
2020-06-11 11:11       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-06-30 11:31 ` bug#41531: 27.0.91; Better handle asynchronous eldoc backends João Távora
2020-07-04  7:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04  9:21     ` João Távora
2020-07-04  9:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04  9:37         ` João Távora
2020-07-04  9:44           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04 11:00     ` João Távora
2020-07-04 21:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-04 23:12         ` João Távora
2020-07-07  0:43           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 10:58             ` João Távora
2020-07-07 14:18               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 14:34                 ` João Távora
2020-07-05 12:03     ` João Távora
2020-07-05 15:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-05 15:13       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-04 10:04   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-04 11:48     ` João Távora
2020-07-04 21:27       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-04 21:30         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-04 23:07         ` João Távora
2020-07-07  3:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 10:56             ` João Távora
2020-07-07 12:23               ` João Távora
2020-07-07 13:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-07 14:24                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 16:07                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-07 23:11                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-08  3:58                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-08 11:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-08 13:25                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-08 13:41                             ` João Távora
2020-07-08 14:21                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-08 15:12                               ` João Távora
2020-07-08 18:32                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-08 19:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-07 14:45                 ` João Távora
2020-07-07 14:40               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 22:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 22:49                 ` João Távora
2020-07-07 23:00                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 23:24                     ` João Távora
2020-07-07 23:42                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-07 23:46                         ` João Távora
2020-07-08  0:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov

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