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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>,
	63648@debbugs.gnu.org, sbaugh@catern.com
Subject: bug#63648: 29.0.90; project.el: with switch-use-entire-map, switch-project errors on non-project commands
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:10:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86edishisp.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f07e09ce-9018-e24f-b4a6-a8e30512b496@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2023 03:39:08 +0300")

>>> And we should consider whether other-project-prefix should entirely subsume
>>> project-switch-project. Or they should remain separate commands.
>> We could leave project-switch-project unobsoleted indefinitely
>> for users who might prefer it, and users can bind it to C-x p p.
>
> Or we keep the easier-to-use command on 'C-x p p', and the more experienced
> users would rebind that to 'other-project-prefix', when they learn how to
> use it.

Or vice versa.

>>> E.g. would people who customized project-switch-commands to a symbol be
>>> okay with not being able to use the other functionality of
>>> other-project-prefix?
>> Symbolic project-switch-commands is supported by other-project-prefix.
>
> Yes, and that could be a problem: if I as a user want 'C-x p p' to always
> run 'project-find-file', for example (in the other project), but I also
> want to be able to sometimes call 'M-x other-project-prefix' (or use
> a custom binding) to run an arbitrary command in the other project.

With other-project-prefix, users can run 'project-find-file'
in another project with just:

```
(defun other-project-find-file ()
  (interactive)
  (call-interactively 'other-project-prefix)
  (call-interactively 'project-find-file))
```

>>> Or what about the variable project-switch-use-entire-map? I'm not sure
>>> about dropping it, at least without notifying about that in the UI somehow.
>> project-switch-use-entire-map could be handled in other-project-prefix.
>> But is this really needed?  I can't imagine why anyone might want
>> to disable keys from project-prefix-map.
>
> I think if project-switch-use-entire-map is still wanted, we should just
> keep these commands separate (the same logic as in the previous paragraph).

No problem, project-switch-use-entire-map can be easily supported in
other-project-prefix.

> Why not remove that option? Consider the current UI (which looks almost the
> same in your latest patch): user types 'C-x p p', chooses the project and
> then sees the prompt which only offers the options from
> project-switch-commands. They are not informed that any other keys could be
> used too. So if we were to change the default behavior, I think this
> UI/prompt needs to change, at the very least.

Agreed, a better prompt needed.  Maybe with the standard C-h key for help.

> Do we want to drop the whole "choose a command from the list" thing? Will
> that be an improvement overall, for most users? If you think so, I suppose
> we should make a poll somewhere.

Maybe this short menu is not much needed.  OTOH, it doesn't cause distraction.

>>> Finally, the current patch drops the loop, so if the user types the wrong
>>> key, they will need to repeat the command and choose the project again.
>> Indeed, the loop now is the command loop, and maybe it's possible to
>> write a hack to set a catch-all in set-transient-map that is not
>> finished until a key in the map is typed.  But as with any command,
>> if the user types a wrong key sequence, then need to type it again.
>> I do this all the time with mistakenly typed keys.  I don't see why
>> project keys are the exception.
>
> Maybe because in the middle of it all you have interacted with Emacs to
> choose the other project, and that can be a significant amount of typing?

Then for repeating the previously selected project it will be in the history:
'C-x p p M-p'.

> I suppose, if it worked the other way (first choose the command, and then
> the project), it would make more sense to not care about having the user
> repeat the command sequence.

Like it does when typed e.g. 'C-x p f' in a non-project directory?

>>> So perhaps the simplest incremental change is to add other-project-prefix
>>> which will work with "regular" commands and keep project-switch-project for
>>> project commands (whether it will support "project" commands as well, can
>>> be optional).
>>>
>>> The downside is that it will require a different key binding (or for the
>>> user to redefine the current one), so I'm open to discussing all the
>>> questions above.
>> A different key binding for the commands that do the same thing?
>> Only because the new command uses the command loop?
>
> project-switch-project would continue to show the menu with commands, only
> work with them by default, and obey project-switch-use-entire-map, which,
> when set to t, would enable other commands from the project keymap, but
> only them. All accessible via one character binding. And when
> project-switch-commands is set to a symbol, it would only invoke that one
> command without additional prompting.
>
> other-project-prefix would accept all commands but require full key
> sequence for the invoked command.

And also other-project-prefix will fix such bugs as bug#65558.

> Would it add shortcuts to the commands from the project keymap?
> Possibly. Any ideas how to inform the user about that?

By a different prompt?





  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-20 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-22 16:27 bug#63648: 29.0.90; project.el: with switch-use-entire-map, switch-project errors on non-project commands Spencer Baugh
2023-05-22 17:51 ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24  1:14   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-24  6:20     ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 15:46       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-24 16:20         ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 17:37           ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 17:44             ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-01 16:05               ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-02  1:40                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-02  6:40                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-03  1:30                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-10 11:56                     ` sbaugh
2023-08-23 13:53                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-23 17:54                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-29 20:36                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-29 20:40                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 21:47                             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-29 22:32                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 16:27                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-31  2:01                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31  6:47                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-31 11:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-31 16:36                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-01  1:11                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01  6:46                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-01  9:53                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-01 15:59                                             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-09-02  1:47                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-03 17:11                                               ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-11 20:16                                                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-09-12  6:55                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-10 15:30                                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-12 23:47                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-13  6:47                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-18  0:12                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-18  6:51                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-18 11:00                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-18 13:56                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-19 17:57                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-20  0:39                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-20 17:10                                                               ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2023-09-21  1:16                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-21  6:58                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-22 15:52                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-19  0:42                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19  4:46                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  6:43                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-19  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  9:46                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19 11:05                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 11:34                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19 12:22                                                                         ` sbaugh
2023-10-19 12:49                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19 14:00                                                                             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-19 17:17                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19 19:30                                                                                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-19 23:25                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-21 16:09                                                                                     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-21 18:43                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-19 18:03                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-19 19:38                                                                                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-10-19 17:56                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-19 22:39                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-20  6:44                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-20 19:25                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-23  6:58                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-23 17:24                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-23 17:34                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-23 17:36                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-23 18:42                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-23 18:49                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 16:53                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-25 22:26                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-27  6:50                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-10-27  9:38                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-28 16:56                                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-01 21:12                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-02 17:20                                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-02 21:33                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-04 17:28                                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-05  0:55                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-06  7:16                                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2023-11-06 22:49                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-21 13:27                                                                         ` sbaugh
2023-10-21 18:41                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-21 13:14                                                                       ` sbaugh
2023-08-28 22:44                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 20:34                           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-02 12:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-02 16:09                     ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-02  6:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-02  6:55                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-02 11:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-02 16:11                       ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-05  6:53                       ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-02 17:07                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-05  6:50                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-05 14:44                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-05 16:31                       ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-24 14:55   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-24 16:24     ` Juri Linkov
2023-05-26 15:16       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-05-30 17:48         ` Juri Linkov
2023-06-01 20:31           ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-01 21:09             ` Drew Adams
2023-06-02  6:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-02  6:46             ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-10 11:52               ` sbaugh

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