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From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
To: 32605@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32605: [w64] (random) never returns negative
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 14:40:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86a6lkywj0.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <855zzpf86u.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sat 14 Aug 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 13:10:08 +0100
>> 
>> > Why not keep the 30 bits we produce today on 32-bit builds?
>> 
>> For 32bit builds (FIXNUM_BITS is 30), either:
>> 
>>  a) define RAND_BITS to 30, 'random' calls 'rand_as183' twice.
>>     'get_random' needs 1 call to 'random' (total 2 calls of 'rand_as183').
>> 
>>  b) define RAND_BITS to 15, 'random' calls 'rand_as183' once.
>>     'get_random' needs 2 calls to 'random' (total 2 calls of 'rand_as183').
>> 
>> For 64bit builds (FIXNUM_BITS is 62), either:
>> 
>>  a) define RAND_BITS to 30, 'random' calls 'rand_as183' twice.
>>     'get_random' needs 3 calls to 'random' (total 6 calls of 'rand_as183').
>> 
>>  b) define RAND_BITS to 15, 'random' calls 'rand_as183' once.
>>     'get_random' needs 4 calls to 'random' (total 4 calls of 'rand_as183').
>> 
>> On 32bit builds both options are roughly equivalent.
>> On 64bit builds option (b) is better as option (a) does unnecessary work.
>
> The above assumes we will never call 'random' except via 'get_random'.
> Is that something we want to bet on?

Option (b) fixes bugs in the current code. Currently 'get_random' is the
only caller of 'random'.  If inefficiency is a problem after later code
changes, then then this issue can be revisited.

Another option is to replace the imlementation of 'random' in w32.c with
a different PRNG that can generate 31 bits more efficiently than using 3
calls to 'rand_as183'.

Yet another possibility is to use 'getrandom' from gnulib instead of all
of this Windows specific code, but that may bring a fresh set of
concerns to be considered.

    AndyM






  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-14 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-01 17:18 bug#32605: 26.1; (random) never returns negative Francis Wright
2018-09-01 17:34 ` Stephen Berman
2018-09-04 22:27   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-05 13:20     ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-12 13:17       ` bug#32605: [w64] " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-12 13:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-12 20:34           ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-13  6:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-13 21:12               ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-14  5:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14  8:31                   ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-14  8:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 11:06                       ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-14 11:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 12:10                           ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-14 12:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 13:40                               ` Andy Moreton [this message]
2021-08-14 14:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-14 18:47                                   ` Andy Moreton
2021-08-15  6:07                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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