* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
@ 2012-02-16 23:48 nyc4bos
2012-02-17 8:03 ` Glenn Morris
2012-02-20 8:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: nyc4bos @ 2012-02-16 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 10829
When trying to send a bug report with a valid email address that is
NOT part of (user-login-name), I get a prompt that gives the default
SMTP username as the value of (user-login-name).
If a default is specified, I had expected it to be from the valid
"From: " address I provided, not the value of (user-login-name).
I know that emacsbug.el, sendmail.el, and message.el are currently
being worked on, so possible fallout is to be expected.
[FWIW, I have .authinfo.gpg file but do NOT have ANY email information
in it, nor do I ever want to -- just NNTP information.]
Thanks.
In GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2012-02-15 on MARVIN
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* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
2012-02-16 23:48 bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username nyc4bos
@ 2012-02-17 8:03 ` Glenn Morris
2012-02-17 13:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-20 8:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-02-17 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nyc4bos; +Cc: 10829
nyc4bos@aol.com wrote:
> When trying to send a bug report with a valid email address that is
> NOT part of (user-login-name), I get a prompt that gives the default
> SMTP username as the value of (user-login-name).
>
> If a default is specified, I had expected it to be from the valid
> "From: " address I provided, not the value of (user-login-name).
This seems to be unrelated to emacsbug. The same would happen with any mail.
> [FWIW, I have .authinfo.gpg file but do NOT have ANY email information
> in it, nor do I ever want to -- just NNTP information.]
Okay, but authinfo is the mechanism by which the smtp user is specified.
So if you choose not to use that, you... don't get to specify the smtp
user. This doesn't seem like an "error sending bug report"; rather it
seems a low priority wishlist request to tweak the default SMTP user
name used when there is no authinfo (for most people, this will only
happen once, the first time).
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* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
2012-02-17 8:03 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-02-17 13:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2012-02-17 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: nyc4bos, 10829
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:03:58 -0500 Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
GM> nyc4bos@aol.com wrote:
>> When trying to send a bug report with a valid email address that is
>> NOT part of (user-login-name), I get a prompt that gives the default
>> SMTP username as the value of (user-login-name).
>>
>> If a default is specified, I had expected it to be from the valid
>> "From: " address I provided, not the value of (user-login-name).
GM> This seems to be unrelated to emacsbug. The same would happen with any mail.
>> [FWIW, I have .authinfo.gpg file but do NOT have ANY email information
>> in it, nor do I ever want to -- just NNTP information.]
GM> Okay, but authinfo is the mechanism by which the smtp user is specified.
GM> So if you choose not to use that, you... don't get to specify the smtp
GM> user. This doesn't seem like an "error sending bug report"; rather it
GM> seems a low priority wishlist request to tweak the default SMTP user
GM> name used when there is no authinfo (for most people, this will only
GM> happen once, the first time).
Look at the discussion for bug 9113 for more on this. nyc4bos, you can
voice your opinion there or on the Gnus mailing list. The consensus so
far seems to be that we should allow in-memory auth-source storage for
users who don't want to set it up, and just cache the information until
Emacs exits, but we should prompt to make sure that's what they want.
Ted
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* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
2012-02-16 23:48 bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username nyc4bos
2012-02-17 8:03 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2012-02-20 8:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-28 1:51 ` nyc4bos
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-02-20 8:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nyc4bos; +Cc: 10829
nyc4bos@aol.com writes:
> When trying to send a bug report with a valid email address that is
> NOT part of (user-login-name), I get a prompt that gives the default
> SMTP username as the value of (user-login-name).
Your SMTP server requires a user name and password to send email, I take
it?
> If a default is specified, I had expected it to be from the valid
> "From: " address I provided, not the value of (user-login-name).
I don't think the bit before the "@" sign in the From header is any more
likely to be the user name you have to give to the SMTP server than
(user-login-name) is.
Emacs just guesses here, and I think (user-login-name) is a perfectly
valid guess. So I'm closing this bug report.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome
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* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
2012-02-20 8:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2012-02-28 1:51 ` nyc4bos
2012-03-09 23:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: nyc4bos @ 2012-02-28 1:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 10829
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> nyc4bos@aol.com writes:
>
>> When trying to send a bug report with a valid email address that is
>> NOT part of (user-login-name), I get a prompt that gives the default
>> SMTP username as the value of (user-login-name).
>
> Your SMTP server requires a user name and password to send email, I take
> it?
Yes.
>
>> If a default is specified, I had expected it to be from the valid
>> "From: " address I provided, not the value of (user-login-name).
>
> I don't think the bit before the "@" sign in the From header is any more
> likely to be the user name you have to give to the SMTP server than
> (user-login-name) is.
In my experience, when required to authenticate to an SMTP server, the
user part (the left of the "@" sign) is almost certainly the username
to give SMTP server.
>
> Emacs just guesses here, and I think (user-login-name) is a perfectly
> valid guess. So I'm closing this bug report.
When creating a bug report (`report-emacs-bug') using (run)emacs -Q,
Emacs has already "just guessed" when it fills in the "From: "
address:
From: <user-login-name>@<hostname>.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
So when the user explicitly fills in their valid email address, why
should Emacs override the user with a default of its own?
Why shouldn't Emacs just accept what the user has explicitly typed
by default (and allow in prompt for a different user name)?
IOW, exactly the opposite to what you have changed it to (put in its
own default causing the user to have change it yet again).
This is a regression from (at least) Emacs 23, without any overriding
reason that I can discern.
Could you please reconsider?
I believe there should at least be some discussion about this
regression.
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* bug#10829: 24.0.93; Error sending bug report -- default SMTP username
2012-02-28 1:51 ` nyc4bos
@ 2012-03-09 23:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2012-03-09 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: nyc4bos; +Cc: 10829
nyc4bos@aol.com writes:
> In my experience, when required to authenticate to an SMTP server, the
> user part (the left of the "@" sign) is almost certainly the username
> to give SMTP server.
That's not my experience.
>> Emacs just guesses here, and I think (user-login-name) is a perfectly
>> valid guess. So I'm closing this bug report.
>
> When creating a bug report (`report-emacs-bug') using (run)emacs -Q,
> Emacs has already "just guessed" when it fills in the "From: "
> address:
>
> From:
> <user-login-name>@<hostname>.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
>
> So when the user explicitly fills in their valid email address, why
> should Emacs override the user with a default of its own?
>
> Why shouldn't Emacs just accept what the user has explicitly typed
> by default (and allow in prompt for a different user name)?
>
> IOW, exactly the opposite to what you have changed it to (put in its
> own default causing the user to have change it yet again).
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Surely you're asked for a user name
and password if the SMTP server requires it?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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