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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: HaiJun Zhang <netjune@outlook.com>
Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:26:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zhfyakwd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PS1PR03MB36065ABCF82674C23A0FC11AB75A0@PS1PR03MB3606.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com> (message from HaiJun Zhang on Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:59:48 +0800)

> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:59:48 +0800
> From: HaiJun Zhang <netjune@outlook.com>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net
> 
>  I explained in more detail how I suggested to implement thius: by
>  inserting the minibuffer contents before the message text. What is
>  complex about that?
> 
> Because resize-mini-windows may be nil. And the message may be invisible. 

The current master has the same problem.

In general, people who set resize-mini-windows to nil are always in
danger of seeing only part of the message Emacs displays.

> Another question: 
> When emacs displays combination of the prompt and the message, if user input something, doesn’t the
> message disappears?

It does disappear, and the prompt remains.  Again, lime with the
current master.

>  This is what the current code does,  
> 
> The current code doesn’t display the message transiently. It displays it forever.

By "the current code" I meant the current master branch.  There, the
message is displayed for 2 sec, and then disappears, even if the user
didn't press any key.  Which is different from how 'message' behaves
when there's no prompt.

> User needs to press a key to
> restore to the prompt. Is this a bug?

No, I don't think it's a bug.  If some Lisp program displays a message
and doesn't follow it with a nil message, it means that Lisp program
_wants_ the message to remain on display until the user dismisses it.

>  and the problem with that is that
>  some uses of 'message' don't expect the message to stay for 2 seconds,
>  and some expect it to stay forever. This information is not explicit
>  in the call to 'message', so there's no way of communicating in down
>  to minibuffer-message. 
> 
> Do you mean the scene “Foo…” followed by “Foo…done”?

That's one scenario, yes.  But it is not the only one.

> I don’t think this is a problem. These are just status which are not important. And they disappears quickly
> when user is busy editing.

With the current master, it doesn't disappear quickly, it stays for 2 sec.

> And the really important ones may put an indicator on the mode-line.

What indicator?

(And I don't understand why we are arguing, since you just said in
another message that you liked my proposal...)





  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-11 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-02 11:06 bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Stephen Berman
2019-12-02 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 23:00 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-03  0:15   ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-03  3:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-03 23:44     ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-04  3:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-04 23:16         ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-05  3:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06  0:10             ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-06  7:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 23:05                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-08  3:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08  5:18                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 21:50                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-09  3:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09  7:43                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-09 14:00                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 15:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11  7:32                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-11  7:35                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-11 16:30                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 16:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-24 16:30                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-24 17:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 23:45                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-10  3:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10  7:19                               ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-10 16:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:52                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-12-10 17:51                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-12-10 16:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:08                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-10 17:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 23:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-11 16:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 17:34                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 17:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 18:53                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 23:12                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12  4:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 22:45                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13  8:25                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 19:45                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-10 20:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 21:45                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11  3:24                                     ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11  3:40                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11  3:59                                         ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11 16:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-12-12  4:33                                             ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-12  5:29                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 22:58                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13  7:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-13  9:07                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 13:21                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11  3:35                                 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11 16:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 16:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 23:24                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12  5:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 11:08                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-12 23:07                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13  8:46                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 23:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12  5:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 23:12                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13  8:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-14 23:10                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-15 15:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-15 23:59                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-16 16:09                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-16 22:29                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-16 23:26                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-17  6:27                                                   ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-17 16:19                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-17 23:53                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18  3:38                                                       ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-17 16:11                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-17 23:51                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18 16:24                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19  0:12                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-19 15:36                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19 22:16                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-19 22:30                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-19 23:17                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  7:34                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19 22:52                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  7:59                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-21 22:09                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  7:54                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-21 22:02                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-22 19:02                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-20 14:29                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-21 22:03                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-23 10:10                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-23 22:58                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-24  0:42                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-24 23:47                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-25 16:30                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-25 16:44                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-25 16:49                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18  0:59                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18  8:19                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-20 12:30                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-21 16:15                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-22  0:46                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18  1:00                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-05 15:24         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-05 16:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06  0:06           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-06  7:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 17:15               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
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2019-12-10 17:53                                 ` Drew Adams

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