From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: HaiJun Zhang <netjune@outlook.com>
Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:26:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zhfyakwd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PS1PR03MB36065ABCF82674C23A0FC11AB75A0@PS1PR03MB3606.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com> (message from HaiJun Zhang on Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:59:48 +0800)
> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:59:48 +0800
> From: HaiJun Zhang <netjune@outlook.com>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net
>
> I explained in more detail how I suggested to implement thius: by
> inserting the minibuffer contents before the message text. What is
> complex about that?
>
> Because resize-mini-windows may be nil. And the message may be invisible.
The current master has the same problem.
In general, people who set resize-mini-windows to nil are always in
danger of seeing only part of the message Emacs displays.
> Another question:
> When emacs displays combination of the prompt and the message, if user input something, doesn’t the
> message disappears?
It does disappear, and the prompt remains. Again, lime with the
current master.
> This is what the current code does,
>
> The current code doesn’t display the message transiently. It displays it forever.
By "the current code" I meant the current master branch. There, the
message is displayed for 2 sec, and then disappears, even if the user
didn't press any key. Which is different from how 'message' behaves
when there's no prompt.
> User needs to press a key to
> restore to the prompt. Is this a bug?
No, I don't think it's a bug. If some Lisp program displays a message
and doesn't follow it with a nil message, it means that Lisp program
_wants_ the message to remain on display until the user dismisses it.
> and the problem with that is that
> some uses of 'message' don't expect the message to stay for 2 seconds,
> and some expect it to stay forever. This information is not explicit
> in the call to 'message', so there's no way of communicating in down
> to minibuffer-message.
>
> Do you mean the scene “Foo…” followed by “Foo…done”?
That's one scenario, yes. But it is not the only one.
> I don’t think this is a problem. These are just status which are not important. And they disappears quickly
> when user is busy editing.
With the current master, it doesn't disappear quickly, it stays for 2 sec.
> And the really important ones may put an indicator on the mode-line.
What indicator?
(And I don't understand why we are arguing, since you just said in
another message that you liked my proposal...)
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Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-12-02 11:06 bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Stephen Berman
2019-12-02 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 23:00 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-03 0:15 ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-03 3:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-03 23:44 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-04 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-04 23:16 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-05 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 0:10 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-06 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-07 23:05 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-08 3:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 5:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-08 21:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-09 3:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 7:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-09 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 7:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-11 7:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-11 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-24 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-12-24 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-09 23:45 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-10 3:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 7:19 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-10 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:52 ` Drew Adams
2019-12-10 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2019-12-10 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-10 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 23:45 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-11 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 17:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 18:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 23:12 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12 4:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 22:45 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13 8:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 19:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-10 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-10 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 3:24 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11 3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 3:59 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-12-12 4:33 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-12 5:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 22:58 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13 7:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-13 9:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-12-11 3:35 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-11 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 23:24 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 11:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-12 23:07 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-11 23:28 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-12 5:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-12 23:12 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-13 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-14 23:10 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-15 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-15 23:59 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-16 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-16 22:29 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-16 23:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-17 6:27 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-17 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-17 23:53 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18 3:38 ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-12-17 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-17 23:51 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19 0:12 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-19 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19 22:16 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-19 22:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-19 23:17 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-19 22:52 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20 7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-21 22:09 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20 7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-21 22:02 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-22 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-20 14:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-21 22:03 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-23 10:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-23 22:58 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-24 0:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-24 23:47 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-25 16:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-25 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-25 16:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18 0:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18 8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-20 12:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-21 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-22 0:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-18 1:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-05 15:24 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-05 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 0:06 ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-06 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-06 17:15 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
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