From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: 14380@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#14380: 24.3; `network-stream-open-tls' fails in some imap servers on w32
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:49:43 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83y5b3r1tk.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87li7410l4.fsf@lifelogs.com>
> From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:20:55 -0400
>
> >> The risk is that their version of GnuTLS is out of date.
>
> EZ> That happens with dozens of packages on each user's machine. There's
> EZ> nothing in GnuTLS that makes it unique in this regard.
>
> Yes, of course. I don't know the other packages we require to enable
> extra features on W32, sorry.
Those are the image libraries and libxml2. And, of course, any
prerequisite packages needed to build those: zlib, libintl, libiconv,
and the libraries, like libnettle, that GnuTLS depends on.
> I think GnuTLS is somewhat unique in this regard by being the only
> way to do secure communications with the outside world, but it's
> worth considering putting the other packages under the same
> mechanism as GnuTLS for installations and updates.
Security is not just about secure communications. I'm sure you know
that.
> >> Installing and keeping GnuTLS up to date should not be the
> >> responsibility of the user.
>
> EZ> Says you. But since there's no one else to pick up the gauntlet,
> EZ> that's where this responsibility will need to rest. If J.R. Hacker
> EZ> needs GnuTLS today, he has no one else but himself to rely on. All
> EZ> we, the Emacs developers, do is just talk.
>
> I like to ask before I make changes, hence my request for votes in
> emacs-devel. Sorry if it seems like empty talk to you.
It is empty because it doesn't lead to any action. We've been talking
about this for months already.
> >> As far as I know GnuTLS status is back to "kosher."
>
> EZ> Not sure based on what you say this.
>
> Monitoring the GnuTLS mailing lists.
The actual discussions were private, not on any public list.
> I'm trying to get the work started by first and foremost deciding if
> Emacs as a project wants to do this at all. This is a decision for the
> maintainers and you've voted against it on emacs-devel, so let's see
> what the vote count is and what the maintainers say.
I think it's well beyond our capacities and resources, yes.
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2013-05-18 13:05 ` bug#14380: [gmane.emacs.bugs] bug#14380: 24.3; `network-stream-open-tls' fails in some imap servers on w32 João Távora
2013-05-19 3:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
[not found] ` <87zjvr64lt.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com>
2013-05-19 11:45 ` João Távora
2013-05-19 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-20 13:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-05-20 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-24 19:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-05-24 20:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-10 12:49 ` João Távora
2013-05-10 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-10 16:00 ` João Távora
2013-05-10 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-10 20:44 ` João Távora
2013-05-11 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-17 13:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-05-24 22:20 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-05-25 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
[not found] ` <CALDnm50KHS7wOKUpQJQHb4V_PLfQs6VkjEsRmPgY=R5x0eEuUg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-05-19 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-19 17:57 ` João Távora
2013-05-19 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-19 23:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
[not found] ` <87txly4ll9.fsf@lifelogs.com>
2013-05-20 2:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-05-20 22:07 ` João Távora
[not found] ` <CALDnm51-4aTee3NGoRp+=T6MuTV3xD9P4Ed1yZLU_E5k_r5hGw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-06-05 15:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
[not found] ` <87obbk1trn.fsf@lifelogs.com>
2013-06-05 16:42 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-05 18:10 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-08 0:58 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-06 8:15 ` João Távora
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