From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14380: 24.3; `network-stream-open-tls' fails in some imap servers on w32 Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 09:49:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83y5b3r1tk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k3mw79iv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zjvr64lt.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <83r4h3vvca.fsf@gnu.org> <878v394uwk.fsf@lifelogs.com> <834ndxwr7r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5b417nf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8338tcrun8.fsf@gnu.org> <87li7410l4.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369464683 28991 80.91.229.3 (25 May 2013 06:51:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 06:51:23 +0000 (UTC) To: 14380@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 08:51:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug8K1-0007nJ-6P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 25 May 2013 02:49:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug8IQ-0006mp-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:33854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ug8IQ-0006mh-4w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 02:49:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MNC00G00DH96500@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:49:40 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MNC00GA5DMS3Y50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:49:40 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87li7410l4.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:74553 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:20:55 -0400 > > >> The risk is that their version of GnuTLS is out of date. > > EZ> That happens with dozens of packages on each user's machine. There's > EZ> nothing in GnuTLS that makes it unique in this regard. > > Yes, of course. I don't know the other packages we require to enable > extra features on W32, sorry. Those are the image libraries and libxml2. And, of course, any prerequisite packages needed to build those: zlib, libintl, libiconv, and the libraries, like libnettle, that GnuTLS depends on. > I think GnuTLS is somewhat unique in this regard by being the only > way to do secure communications with the outside world, but it's > worth considering putting the other packages under the same > mechanism as GnuTLS for installations and updates. Security is not just about secure communications. I'm sure you know that. > >> Installing and keeping GnuTLS up to date should not be the > >> responsibility of the user. > > EZ> Says you. But since there's no one else to pick up the gauntlet, > EZ> that's where this responsibility will need to rest. If J.R. Hacker > EZ> needs GnuTLS today, he has no one else but himself to rely on. All > EZ> we, the Emacs developers, do is just talk. > > I like to ask before I make changes, hence my request for votes in > emacs-devel. Sorry if it seems like empty talk to you. It is empty because it doesn't lead to any action. We've been talking about this for months already. > >> As far as I know GnuTLS status is back to "kosher." > > EZ> Not sure based on what you say this. > > Monitoring the GnuTLS mailing lists. The actual discussions were private, not on any public list. > I'm trying to get the work started by first and foremost deciding if > Emacs as a project wants to do this at all. This is a decision for the > maintainers and you've voted against it on emacs-devel, so let's see > what the vote count is and what the maintainers say. I think it's well beyond our capacities and resources, yes.