bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work

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* bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work
@ 2022-07-24 17:27 Damien Cassou
  2022-07-24 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Damien Cassou @ 2022-07-24 17:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 56747


1. emacs -Q
2. (insert "a⒜℀a")
3. C-s a M-s '
4. The echo area should say "Pending char-fold I-search"

Expected: Pressing C-s again should find all 4 characters of the
inserted string as described in the manual: (info "(emacs) Lax Search").

Actual: The 2 characters in the middle of the string are not considered
different versions of the character ?a.


In GNU Emacs 28.1.90 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.16.0)
Repository revision: emacs-28.1.90
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12014000
System Description: Fedora Linux 36 (Workstation Edition)

Configured using:
 'configure
 --prefix=/nix/store/v7lwa97fabrafbjsxfy6b22yjsl4wfmv-emacs-unstable-28.1.90
 --disable-build-details --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-xft
 --with-cairo --with-native-compilation'

Configured features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON
LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS
X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB

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Damien Cassou

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill







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* bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work
  2022-07-24 17:27 bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work Damien Cassou
@ 2022-07-24 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2022-07-24 19:43   ` Damien Cassou
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-07-24 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Damien Cassou; +Cc: 56747

> From: Damien Cassou <damien@cassou.me>
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:27:35 +0200
> 
> 
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. (insert "a⒜℀a")
> 3. C-s a M-s '
> 4. The echo area should say "Pending char-fold I-search"
> 
> Expected: Pressing C-s again should find all 4 characters of the
> inserted string as described in the manual: (info "(emacs) Lax Search").

Which part of the manual led you to expect the above behavior?

By default, Emacs only folds "canonically-equivalent" characters, and
those two aren't equivalent to 'a'.  If you want them to be found, you
need to customize the variables described in the manual to add more
variants.

I don't think this is a bug, Emacs is working as intended.

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* bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work
  2022-07-24 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-07-24 19:43   ` Damien Cassou
  2022-07-25 12:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Damien Cassou @ 2022-07-24 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 56747

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> Which part of the manual led you to expect the above behavior?

This page (info "(emacs) Lax Search") says:

  In addition, ‘a’ matches other characters that resemble it, or have it
  as part of their graphical representation, such as U+249C
  PARENTHESIZED LATIN SMALL LETTER A and U+2100 ACCOUNT OF (which looks
  like a small ‘a’ over ‘c’)

Those 2 characters are the ones I tried so I was expecting to make it
work.

> By default, Emacs only folds "canonically-equivalent" characters, and
> those two aren't equivalent to 'a'.

Then I don't understand what the manual is saying. Can you please
explain?

By the way, you are doing an amazing job with Emacs! Thank you so much
Eli.

-- 
Damien Cassou

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill





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* bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work
  2022-07-24 19:43   ` Damien Cassou
@ 2022-07-25 12:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
       [not found]       ` <87lesh74he.fsf@cassou.me>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-07-25 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Damien Cassou; +Cc: 56747

> From: Damien Cassou <damien@cassou.me>
> Cc: 56747@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 21:43:10 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > Which part of the manual led you to expect the above behavior?
> 
> This page (info "(emacs) Lax Search") says:
> 
>   In addition, ‘a’ matches other characters that resemble it, or have it
>   as part of their graphical representation, such as U+249C
>   PARENTHESIZED LATIN SMALL LETTER A and U+2100 ACCOUNT OF (which looks
>   like a small ‘a’ over ‘c’)
> 
> Those 2 characters are the ones I tried so I was expecting to make it
> work.

Ah, you are right.  I wasn't reading the text closely enough.

> > By default, Emacs only folds "canonically-equivalent" characters, and
> > those two aren't equivalent to 'a'.
> 
> Then I don't understand what the manual is saying. Can you please
> explain?

It's a documentation bug: these 2 pairs are by default not handled as
equivalent.  The reasons are to some extent heuristics: since the
table of the equivalent character sequences is produced mechanically,
allowing such "too lax" equivalences would lead to surprising false
matches; see bug#20975 for one example.  (These surprising results are
in part due to the our simplistic implementation, whereby we convert
the set of equivalent sequences to a regexp.)  So we decided to play
it safe, and not allow 'a' to match a character whose Unicode
decomposition is "(a)", because 'a' is not the first character of the
decomposition.  We do allow the sequence "(a)" to match ⒜ (but not
vice versa!), and we do allow 'a' to match 'ⓐ' (because 'a' is the
only character in the decomposition of the latter).

The result of these heuristics is somewhat inconsistent from user POV,
which is why we have a facility to customize it.

So I've now updated the manual to quote only examples that really
work.

> By the way, you are doing an amazing job with Emacs! Thank you so much
> Eli.

Thanks, but please don't forget Lars and others involved in the
development.

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* bug#56747: 28.1.90; Char fold search doesn't work
       [not found]       ` <87lesh74he.fsf@cassou.me>
@ 2022-07-25 13:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-07-25 13:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Damien Cassou; +Cc: 56747-done

> From: Damien Cassou <damien@cassou.me>
> Cc: 
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:37:33 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > […] So I've now updated the manual to quote only examples that really
> > work.
> 
> 
> thank you very much! Feel free to close the issue whenever you want.

Done, thanks.

> > Thanks, but please don't forget Lars and others involved in the
> > development.
> 
> 
> So many people are doing an amazing job!
> 
> -- 
> Damien Cassou
> 
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill






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