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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, mattiase@acm.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com,
	54698@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#54698: non-recursive GC marking [PATCH]
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 13:59:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r16acwar.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1nbwyz-00024C-3T@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 06 Apr 2022 00:09:25 -0400)

> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, luangruo@yahoo.com, mattiase@acm.org,
> 	larsi@gnus.org, 54698@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 00:09:25 -0400
> 
>   > > I think this is just how modern OSes behave: they will happily hand
>   > > out arbitrary amounts of memory and then kill processes without
>   > > warning if they use too much memory. By design, there's nothing these
>   > > processes can do about that.
> 
>   > That's not my experience.
> 
> A few weeks ago, when I had too little physical memory for a while,
> I found that my machine would start thrashing, and then Linux would
> kill a large process.  Fortunately that was IceCat, not Emacs.
> A wizard told me it was indeed killing processes without warning,
> but at that moment the thrashing process had no way to receive or
> act on a warning.

You seem to be saying that Emacs on GNU/Linux cannot reliably detect
that it's approaching the memory limit, or have already approached it.
That'd be sad if it were indeed 100% true, and couldn't be alleviated
by some system setting.  (I thought one could use "ulimit -v"?)  Or
maybe Emacs should have its own setting for how much memory is
available, if it can reliably tell how much is being used.

If indeed this cannot be solved on GNU/Linux, it is IMO sad, because
on MS-Windows I was saved several times by memory_full and what's
behind it, when I occasionally needed to visit very large files that
exceeded my system's capacity for Emacs.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-04-06 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-03 18:40 bug#54698: non-recursive GC marking [PATCH] Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-04 11:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-04 11:16   ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-04 11:29     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-04 11:31       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-04 11:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-04 11:57       ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-04 12:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-04 17:18           ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-05  1:15     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-05  8:08       ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-05  8:39         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-05 11:11           ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-05 11:26             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-05 11:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-05 12:31           ` Philipp Stephani
2022-04-05 13:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-06  4:09               ` Richard Stallman
2022-04-06  5:48                 ` Phil Sainty
2022-04-06 10:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-04-06 12:05                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-06 12:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-06 12:34                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-06 14:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-06 12:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-08  4:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-04-08  5:49                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-08  6:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-08  7:41                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-08 11:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-08 11:32                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-08 11:55                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-08 11:58                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-08 12:07                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-08 12:16                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-04-08 13:07                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-09  0:28                                       ` Phil Sainty
2022-04-08 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-04 14:32 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-04-04 14:39   ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-04 15:44     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-04-04 16:04       ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-04-05  9:10         ` Andrea Corallo

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