bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[H. Dieter Wilhelm]

I'm calling from "emacs -Q" the info system with `C-h i' and any
character in Info between quotes are just displayed with a rectangular
box.  I'm compiling Emacs on an elderly RHEL at work.  What can I do to
enable Emacs to display the info files in a readable way?

Thank you very much

      Dieter



In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.23)
 of 2016-06-22 built on sbav106x.vs.de.conti.de
Windowing system distributor 'Red Hat, Inc.', version 11.0.11500000
System Description:	Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.6 (Santiago)

Configured using:
 'configure --with-gif=no'

Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF PNG SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF NOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS
LIBXML2 FREETYPE XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK2 X11

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=none
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Composing main Info directory...done

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
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cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format
env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting
move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 91409 5137)
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-- 
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Kelkheim, Germany

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm)
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:33:50 +0200
> 
> I'm calling from "emacs -Q" the info system with `C-h i' and any
> character in Info between quotes are just displayed with a rectangular
> box.  I'm compiling Emacs on an elderly RHEL at work.  What can I do to
> enable Emacs to display the info files in a readable way?

I think you want to customize the variable 'text-quoting-style'.

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[Glenn Morris]

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> I'm calling from "emacs -Q" the info system with `C-h i' and any
>> character in Info between quotes are just displayed with a rectangular
>> box.  I'm compiling Emacs on an elderly RHEL at work.  What can I do to
>> enable Emacs to display the info files in a readable way?
>
> I think you want to customize the variable 'text-quoting-style'.

That doesn't make any difference to this issue. This does:

(eval-after-load "info" '(copy-face 'default 'Info-quoted))


One final try to repeat my comments from bug#19889 and 22207:


Viewing Info files is an important part of Emacs. I think it is a
mistake to break the rendering of them in this way, even if it's only on
a small fraction of systems, for the sake of a very minor (and IMO
arguable; cf http://debbugs.gnu.org/19889#115: "an ugly font") cosmetic
improvement on the rest.

Please make Info-quoted face inherit from either default or
font-lock-string (on emacs-25, the situation is somewhat better on
master).

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[H. Dieter Wilhelm]

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>>> I'm calling from "emacs -Q" the info system with `C-h i' and any
>>> character in Info between quotes are just displayed with a rectangular
>>> box.  I'm compiling Emacs on an elderly RHEL at work.  What can I do to
>>> enable Emacs to display the info files in a readable way?
>>
>> I think you want to customize the variable 'text-quoting-style'.
>
> That doesn't make any difference to this issue.

That is true.

What I found strange is though that it also didn't change the actual
quoting characters in my *info* buffer, do I have to restart Emacs for
t-q-s to take effect?

> This does:
> (eval-after-load "info" '(copy-face 'default 'Info-quoted))

That is also true. :-)

Thanks a lot!

       Dieter

>
> One final try to repeat my comments from bug#19889 and 22207:
>
>
> Viewing Info files is an important part of Emacs. I think it is a
> mistake to break the rendering of them in this way, even if it's only on
> a small fraction of systems, for the sake of a very minor (and IMO
> arguable; cf http://debbugs.gnu.org/19889#115: "an ugly font") cosmetic
> improvement on the rest.
>
> Please make Info-quoted face inherit from either default or
> font-lock-string (on emacs-25, the situation is somewhat better on
> master).
>

-- 
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Kelkheim, Germany

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[Stefan Kangas]

dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) writes:

> Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm calling from "emacs -Q" the info system with `C-h i' and any
>>>> character in Info between quotes are just displayed with a rectangular
>>>> box.  I'm compiling Emacs on an elderly RHEL at work.  What can I do to
>>>> enable Emacs to display the info files in a readable way?
>>>
>>> I think you want to customize the variable 'text-quoting-style'.
>>
>> That doesn't make any difference to this issue.
>
> That is true.
>
> What I found strange is though that it also didn't change the actual
> quoting characters in my *info* buffer, do I have to restart Emacs for
> t-q-s to take effect?
>
>> This does:
>> (eval-after-load "info" '(copy-face 'default 'Info-quoted))
>
> That is also true. :-)
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>        Dieter
>
>>
>> One final try to repeat my comments from bug#19889 and 22207:
>>
>>
>> Viewing Info files is an important part of Emacs. I think it is a
>> mistake to break the rendering of them in this way, even if it's only on
>> a small fraction of systems, for the sake of a very minor (and IMO
>> arguable; cf http://debbugs.gnu.org/19889#115: "an ugly font") cosmetic
>> improvement on the rest.
>>
>> Please make Info-quoted face inherit from either default or
>> font-lock-string (on emacs-25, the situation is somewhat better on
>> master).
>>

It seems like the OP has found the fix for his problem, but is there
anything more to do here?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:09:56 +0100
> Cc: 23831@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> It seems like the OP has found the fix for his problem, but is there
> anything more to do here?

No, I don't think so.  We nowadays probe the display for the ability
to show these characters, and use ASCII replacements if not, so I
think the situation now is better than then.

bug#23831: 25.0.95; face Info-quoted is not displayed on Redhat 6.6

[Stefan Kangas]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
>> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:09:56 +0100
>> Cc: 23831@debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> It seems like the OP has found the fix for his problem, but is there
>> anything more to do here?
>
> No, I don't think so.  We nowadays probe the display for the ability
> to show these characters, and use ASCII replacements if not, so I
> think the situation now is better than then.

Thanks.  I'm therefore closing this bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas