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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: mattias.engdegard@gmail.com, 65017@debbugs.gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org
Subject: bug#65017: 29.1; Byte compiler interaction with cl-lib function objects, removes symbol-function
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 20:54:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a5v6vgkf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZM0qoHYWDxEe-Lt9@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:43:12 +0000)

> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:43:12 +0000
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, mattias.engdegard@gmail.com,
>   65017@debbugs.gnu.org, eric.marsden@risk-engineering.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> 
> > If internal-macroexpand-for-load is "verboten" from being called by
> > the byte-compiler, I'd expect an assertion in it to that effect.
> > Because someone, some day, might easily forget and call that function
> > in the byte-compiler.
> 
> I don't think there's any such prohibition in this case.  The function is
> called only from readevalloop in src/lread.c as part of loading a .el
> file.  It is probable that an eval-when-compile could cause a .el file to
> be loaded during a byte compilation.  This would call
> internal-macroexpand-for-load with symbols-with-pos-enabled non-nil, I
> think.

But then, if the caller binds this variable non-nil, the problem will
again rear its ugly head?

> > > Do you think this should be firmed up to something like:  "These objects
> > > are for the use of the byte compiler, which records in them the position
> > > of each symbol occurrence and uses those positions in warning and error
> > > messages.  They shouldn't normally be used otherwise."?
> 
> > Something like that, perhaps even stronger.  And maybe an explanation
> > what kind of problems could using them outside of the byte compiler
> > cause.
> 
> OK.  Maybe ".... They shouldn't normally be used otherwise.  Doing so can
> cause unexpected results with basic Emacs functions such as `eq' and
> `equal'."?

That's a good start, thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-04 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-02 10:28 bug#65017: 29.1; Byte compiler interaction with cl-lib function objects, removes symbol-function Eric Marsden
2023-08-03  9:39 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 14:43   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 15:37     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 16:36       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 16:53         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 17:30           ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-03 16:43     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 17:30       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 18:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 21:00           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 21:10         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 21:46           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-04  9:55             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-05 22:45               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-04 10:14             ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-04 11:11               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 13:41                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-05 22:40               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-06 10:47                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-08  2:33                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-04  5:35           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 14:16             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-05 20:22             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-06  4:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 13:22     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 14:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 14:49         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 15:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 16:43             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-04 17:54               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-08-05 22:58             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-05 22:53       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-06 11:59         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-08  2:44           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-08 16:56             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-10  3:41               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-10 14:50                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-12  3:28                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-12  9:59                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-12 18:21                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-12 10:40                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-12 16:46                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-12 18:28                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-13 10:10                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-13 16:12                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-14 17:10                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 16:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-03 16:41     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-03 18:48       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-09 12:27 ` Alan Mackenzie

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