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* bug#66293: 28.2; rmail_ Invalid mbox file
@ 2023-10-01 12:09 జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2023-10-01 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
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* os: android 9
* debian 12 on proot-distro [ 1 ]
* apt show emacs-lucid_ Version: 1:28.2+1-15
* apt show mailutils_ Version: 1:3.15-4
* didnt install anything extra or configured
* first, i asked on help-emacs-gnu [ 2 ]

* steps
   * open emacs
   * tools -> read mail

* error
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid mbox file")
   error("Invalid mbox file")
   rmail-convert-file-maybe()
   rmail()
   funcall-interactively(rmail)
   command-execute(rmail record)
   execute-extended-command(nil "rmail" "rmail")
   funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "rmail" "rmail")
   command-execute(execute-extended-command)

* added attachment_ rmail

In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 2, arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf, X toolkit, 
cairo version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars)
  of 2023-05-13, modified by Debian built on arm-ubc-04
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 
11.0.12101006
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)

Configured using:
  'configure --build arm-linux-gnueabihf --prefix=/usr
  --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec
  --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
  --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes
  
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/28.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/28.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
  --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils
  --with-native-compilation --build arm-linux-gnueabihf --prefix=/usr
  --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec
  --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
  --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes
  
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/28.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/28.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
  --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils
  --with-native-compilation --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=lucid
  --with-toolkit-scroll-bars --without-gsettings 'CFLAGS=-g -O2
  -ffile-prefix-map=/build/emacs-mbqgxM/emacs-28.2+1=. 
-fstack-protector-strong
  -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time
  -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON
LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES
NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XPM LUCID ZLIB

Important settings:
   value of $LANG: C.UTF-8
   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Dired by name

Minor modes in effect:
   tooltip-mode: t
   global-eldoc-mode: t
   show-paren-mode: t
   electric-indent-mode: t
   mouse-wheel-mode: t
   tool-bar-mode: t
   menu-bar-mode: t
   file-name-shadow-mode: t
   global-font-lock-mode: t
   font-lock-mode: t
   blink-cursor-mode: t
   auto-composition-mode: t
   auto-encryption-mode: t
   auto-compression-mode: t
   buffer-read-only: t
   line-number-mode: t
   indent-tabs-mode: t
   transient-mark-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow emacsbug comp comp-cstr warnings rx cl-extra help-mode message
rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config
gnus-util text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode
mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader dired-aux dired
dired-loaddefs cus-edit pp cus-start cus-load wid-edit rmail
rmail-loaddefs smtpmail auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs
eieio-loaddefs cl-loaddefs cl-lib password-cache json subr-x map seq
byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045
ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils iso-transl tooltip eldoc
paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode
mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset
image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode
lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch
easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european
ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript
charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit x
multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 8 111084 9263)
  (symbols 24 9280 1)
  (strings 16 26068 2156)
  (string-bytes 1 837260)
  (vectors 8 18400)
  (vector-slots 4 355850 27372)
  (floats 8 36 37)
  (intervals 28 388 0)
  (buffers 592 10))


[ 1 ] https://github.com/termux/proot-distro
[ 2 ] 
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2023-09/msg00142.html

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Andrew Randrianasulu wrote:
> groups.io <jindam.vani> disroot.org@groups.io>:
>> * without prompting for cookies, it directly shows landing page, why?
>> * as far as i remember, lynx **must** ask for cookie permissions for
>> any website
> Look into  lynx options (shift-O) and set there cookies settings away
> from Always ....

I like cookies always, but make them "session" cookies by saving to to
/dev/null.

alias lynx='lynx -useragent=Lynx/2.8.8rel.2 -image_links -noreferer -accept_all_cookies -cookie_save_file=/dev/null'

I reset the User Agent for lynx (and never update the version number)
because the default string includes "libwww" which triggers some sites
bot black hole defenses.

Image links and disable Referer: header are just personal preferences.

Elijah


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>> * its occupying huge space_ 280 MB
>> * can i delete it?
>>=20
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> apt clean ?

done. now directory size is 16K.

> * or how do i disable it?
>>=20
>> --
>> regards,
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* firefox and firefox+arkenfox.js fresh installation
silently crashes even for trying edit wikipedia
* epiphany, surf, otter-browser_ tons of packages
and overall space required is much high compared to
luakit, netsurf is netsurf [ using lynx ]
* luakit_ previously installed on proot-distro, bit
sluggish, requires little bit less device space, perhaps
entirely depends on lua

website_ https://luakit.github.io/
source code_ https://github.com/luakit/luakit

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On 2023-09-25 12:49, =E0=B0=9C=E0=B0=BF=E0=B0=82=E0=B0=A6=E0=B0=82 =E0=B0=
=B5=E0=B0=BE=E0=B0=90=E0=B0=BF via groups.io wrote:
> * firefox and firefox+arkenfox.js fresh installation
> silently crashes even for trying edit wikipedia
> * epiphany, surf, otter-browser_ tons of packages
> and overall space required is much high compared to
> luakit,

* download and post installation sizes on
my device_ pkg install_ openjdk-17 mousepad lynx
fluxbox tigervnc mc git,
removed_ apt autoremove aterm
* browser_ download size_ post installation
  * firefox_ 68.5 MB_ 240 MB
  * epiphany_ 46.7 MB_ 194 MB
  * otter-browser_ 82.6 MB_ 328 MB
  * surf_ 40.9 MB_ 160 MB

> netsurf is netsurf [ using lynx ]
> * luakit_ previously installed on proot-distro, bit
> sluggish, requires little bit less device space, perhaps
> entirely depends on lua
>=20
> website_ https://luakit.github.io/
> source code_ https://github.com/luakit/luakit
>=20
> p.s. deleted github account, there is no end about verification emails,=
=20
> etc..
>=20
> --
> regards,
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> toots_ @jindam_vani@ieji.de
> [matrix]_ @jindam.vani:midov.pl
>=20
>=20
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* if possible, please enable javascript on elinks
* it doesnt show **ecmascript** in options
* elinks -version
ELinks 0.16.1.1
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On 2023-09-28 06:20, =E0=B0=9C=E0=B0=BF=E0=B0=82=E0=B0=A6=E0=B0=82 =E0=B0=
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> * if possible, please enable javascript on elinks

as of now, it is not possible?
* deprecation of spidermonkey 1.8.5 [ 1 ]
* quickjs_ installation successful but
not working [ 2 ]

[ 1 ] https://github.com/rkd77/elinks/issues/29
[ 2 ] https://github.com/rkd77/elinks/issues/138

> * it doesnt show **ecmascript** in options
> * elinks -version
> ELinks 0.16.1.1
> Built on Jul  2 2023 13:08:57
>=20
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> protocols), SSL (OpenSSL), MIME (Option system, Mailcap, Mimetypes
> files), LED indicators, Bookmarks, Cookies, Form History, Global
> History, Goto URL History
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for quickjs I tried Slackware i586 build but it fails with missed
libcss/libdom

https://github.com/rkd77/elinks/issues/211


apparently you can get them from https://netsurf-browser.org/


elinks Changelog from time when this feature was introduced said most sites
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>>> "DA" =3D=3D Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> There was a guy who wrote some Elisp to do just that, it was
>> discussed on this very list but that's all I remember, maybe
>> you can find it by searching the archives

> This guy, perhaps? ;-)

> https://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-04/msg00187.html

Well I was not successful with my search in this list, however the=20
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https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/26286/toggle-letter-case-exclude-=
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https://karl-voit.at/2015/05/25/elisp-title-capitalization/=20

And especially=20
https://github.com/novoid/title-capitalization.el

Which turned out precisely what I was looking for.

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I'm a long time emacs user but it I may have to stop using it because the
installer and executables are not digitally signed (the way microsoft wants
them singed).  If I right click on  emacs-29.1_2-installer.exe and pull up
properties there are no digital signatures.


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On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 4:18=E2=80=AFPM Lee B <ballle98@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm a long time emacs user but it I may have to stop using it because the
> installer and executables are not digitally signed (the way microsoft wan=
ts
> them singed).  If I right click on  emacs-29.1_2-installer.exe and pull u=
p
> properties there are no digital signatures.
>

Hi Lee.

Have you considered building Emacs for yourself?  I believe
self-compiling is a route to avoid some nags Microsoft Windows
provides regarding binaries distributed without paying into their
sphere of influence.

In any case, considering that any number of other people may feel as
you do:  I've thought about purchasing a code signing certificate to
use for signing these binaries. If I did so, I'd likely feel obligated
to make some type of report about what this specifically ends up
costing me and publish that, and that's so that I can feel good about
dropping a "donate" link on it: without sharing the cost it's a
meaningful hunk of what I can afford for charitable giving.  Ignoring
how "extra" this all begins to feel, it immediately leads me to
realize I'd as soon have people donate to FSF as anything I might be
up to, which more or less has stopped me doing anything at all.

I suspect it goes fine without my saying why I assume the concept of
paying Microsoft regularly in order to distribute Emacs would be
touchy within a community powered by the labor of Free Software
believers.  I haven't assumed I'd be flatly refused: I think we'll get
a conversation.  My point here is that conversation would be necessary
before I'd be willing to publish any Microsoft Code Signed binaries to
GNUs FTP on behalf of Emacs.  On the other hand, I do assume the
prognosis for any proposal that has FSF (however indirectly) buying
Microsoft code signing certs would fall somewhere between "unlikely"
and "dead on arrival".  Sorry if more initiative on my part would have
saved you some time and effort.  Frankly, I haven't wanted to chair a
conversation on the wisdom of kissing Microsoft's ring vis-a-vis "is
this program trusted".  Given we can agree there's something
"important" and do-able, that conversation does need to be had, I've
been thinking in these terms:

Is it an ethical compromise to purchase Microsoft code signing certs
specifically for use signing Emacs binaries? If so, is it acceptable?
Does it make a difference if volunteers (me) are doing this at their
own expense?
What if I don't want to cover it any more?  Am I implicated "fired" if
there's someone else who will cover it?

It is worth noting that these certs are not at all faceless.  There's
a complex identity verification process which, in the case of EV certs
(more below) also requires an IRL organizational entity.

So, TL;DR for the above: I haven't brought this up (e.g. on
emacs-devel) but that needs to happen, given there's something here to
discuss.  (Maybe self-building solves this?)

But: having looked into this a little, let's pretend it's not
completely out of the question: "I can just buy a cert myself and
upload signed binaries on behalf of Emacs, wee!", thinks Corwin. (I
hate the nags too, especially when I see it on friends' computers).
While I hope you won't feel _obligated_ (only invited) to those
questions above, faced, finally with an non-theoretical person who
cares about this, I do have couple more, for you:

1. Can you give some background on why this is important?

Is it about avoiding nags, as I suggest above, that and more, or
something else entirely?


2. Would "normal" code signing vs "EV" signing make a difference for you?

In case you *aren't* familiar, the salient difference will be whether
binaries continue to appear signed even after the (version of) the key
used to sign them has expired (or been renewed; renewing won't
"unbreak" signatures for older binaries, while binaries signed with an
EV cert are "perpetually" signed, so long as the cert is maintained in
good standing), is my understanding from "Benefits of EV Code Signing
Certificates" section at
https://www.digicert.com/signing/code-signing-certificates

. Adding an optional timestamp means your signature
. lives on even after the original EV code signing
. certificate used to sign it has expired. Without a gpg
. timestamp, your signature expires when the
. certificate expires, requiring you to re-sign your code.


Thanks for raising this issue.
Corwin

(Did anyone else note the "GPG timestamp" in that quote?  This is us
buying back --access to someone's instance of-- our own tools --used
to make a file someone mails me on an USB drive, probably-- if we go
ahead and do it, right?)



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* bug#66293: 28.2; rmail_ Invalid mbox file
  2023-10-01 12:09 bug#66293: 28.2; rmail_ Invalid mbox file జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2023-10-01 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-10-01 18:10   ` జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-10-01 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: జిందం వాఐి; +Cc: 66293

> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 17:39:24 +0530
> From:  జిందం వాఐి via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> * os: android 9
> * debian 12 on proot-distro [ 1 ]
> * apt show emacs-lucid_ Version: 1:28.2+1-15
> * apt show mailutils_ Version: 1:3.15-4
> * didnt install anything extra or configured
> * first, i asked on help-emacs-gnu [ 2 ]
> 
> * steps
>    * open emacs
>    * tools -> read mail
> 
> * error
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid mbox file")
>    error("Invalid mbox file")
>    rmail-convert-file-maybe()
>    rmail()
>    funcall-interactively(rmail)
>    command-execute(rmail record)
>    execute-extended-command(nil "rmail" "rmail")
>    funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "rmail" "rmail")
>    command-execute(execute-extended-command)
> 
> * added attachment_ rmail

With the attached mbox file I cannot reproduce the problem.  I did:

  emacs -Q
  C-u M-x rmail RET RMAIN RET

and was presented with the last email message in the mbox file, with
no errors.

So I wonder what went wrong in your case.  Maybe the problem is in the
version of movemail you are using?  Can you try repeating the steps I
did above, instead of going through Tools->Read mail ?





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* bug#66293: 28.2; rmail_ Invalid mbox file
  2023-10-01 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-10-01 18:10   ` జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2023-10-02  5:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-10-01 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 66293

On 2023-10-01 19:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 17:39:24 +0530
>> From:  జిందం వాఐి via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> 
>> * os: android 9
>> * debian 12 on proot-distro [ 1 ]
>> * apt show emacs-lucid_ Version: 1:28.2+1-15
>> * apt show mailutils_ Version: 1:3.15-4
>> * didnt install anything extra or configured
>> * first, i asked on help-emacs-gnu [ 2 ]
>> 
>> * steps
>>    * open emacs
>>    * tools -> read mail
>> 
>> * error
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid mbox file")
>>    error("Invalid mbox file")
>>    rmail-convert-file-maybe()
>>    rmail()
>>    funcall-interactively(rmail)
>>    command-execute(rmail record)
>>    execute-extended-command(nil "rmail" "rmail")
>>    funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "rmail" "rmail")
>>    command-execute(execute-extended-command)
>> 
>> * added attachment_ rmail
> 
> With the attached mbox file I cannot reproduce the problem.  I did:
> 
>   emacs -Q
>   C-u M-x rmail RET RMAIN RET

above command, no mail
* however, C-u M-x rmail RET RMAIL RET
displays email

> and was presented with the last email message in the mbox file, with
> no errors.
> 
> So I wonder what went wrong in your case.  Maybe the problem is in the
> version of movemail you are using?  Can you try repeating the steps I
> did above, instead of going through Tools->Read mail ?

it seems i need to use commands...

-- 
regards,
జిందం వాఐి [ jindam, vani ]
toots_ @jindam_vani@ieji.de
[matrix]_ @jindam.vani:oikei.net





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* bug#66293: 28.2; rmail_ Invalid mbox file
  2023-10-01 18:10   ` జిందం వాఐి via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2023-10-02  5:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-10-02  5:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: జిందం వాఐి; +Cc: 66293

> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 23:40:10 +0530
> From:  జిందం వాఐి via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> On 2023-10-01 19:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > With the attached mbox file I cannot reproduce the problem.  I did:
> > 
> >   emacs -Q
> >   C-u M-x rmail RET RMAIN RET
> 
> above command, no mail
> * however, C-u M-x rmail RET RMAIL RET
> displays email
> 
> > and was presented with the last email message in the mbox file, with
> > no errors.
> > 
> > So I wonder what went wrong in your case.  Maybe the problem is in the
> > version of movemail you are using?  Can you try repeating the steps I
> > did above, instead of going through Tools->Read mail ?
> 
> it seems i need to use commands...

Yes, if movemail cannot retrieve your mail, you must use "M-x rmail"
to read mail from a disk file.





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