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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Wolfgang Scherer <Wolfgang.Scherer@gmx.de>
Cc: 37189@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: bug#37189: 25.4.1: vc-hg-ignore implementation is missing
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:27:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838slmk90j.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6145d6f6-37a8-7166-731b-57669086b145@gmx.de> (message from Wolfgang Scherer on Sat, 1 Feb 2020 02:20:08 +0100)

> From: Wolfgang Scherer <Wolfgang.Scherer@gmx.de>
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 02:20:08 +0100
> 
> I don't think, that the problem with ignore specs can be solved in
> this (adhoc) manner. It should (finally) be properly designed.
> 
> There is a fundamental difference between per-directory ignore specs
> and per-tree ignore specs. Let me try to outline, where I see the
> problem with the current implementation:
> 
> 1. Per-tree VC support is (unecessarily) mapped onto per-directory
>    semantics.
> 2. `vc-ignore` is a quick and dirty afterthought, which does not
>    properly model per-tree use cases.
> 3. The rationale for my implementation of `vc-hg-ignore` covers
>    several use cases, which should be considered for a proper design.

Could you please elaborate on these 3 points?  I've read the rest of
your message at least twice, and I still don't think I understand your
POV on these 3 issues well enough to make up my mind about them.  I
appreciate the overview of the history of these features -- it might
very well help us understand your POV -- but the POV itself is not
clearly presented, AFAICT, so I at least couldn't find a path from the
history of these features to the problems you allude to.  And the
history alone cannot explain the problems in the current design,
because there's nothing wrong in evolving a design per se.

IOW, I'm OK with discussing design issues of ignoring files in VC, but
please let's begin by presenting clear and detailed descriptions of
the problems in the current design, and why you think the current
design cannot easily support valid use cases with modern VCSes.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-01  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-26  0:21 bug#37189: 25.4.1: vc-hg-ignore implementation is missing Wolfgang Scherer
     [not found] ` <handler.37189.B.15667808855126.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2019-08-26 23:25   ` bug#37189: Acknowledgement (25.4.1: vc-hg-ignore implementation is missing) Wolfgang Scherer
2019-08-27  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-28  1:46       ` bug#37189: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** " Wolfgang Scherer
2019-08-28  6:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-29  1:23           ` bug#37189: 25.4.1: vc-hg-ignore implementation is missing Wolfgang Scherer
2019-08-29  0:38         ` Wolfgang Scherer
2019-08-29 15:52           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2019-12-25  0:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-01-05  3:46               ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-01-05  8:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-01-05 17:25                   ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-01-14  1:14                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-01  1:20                   ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-01  8:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-02-03  1:16                       ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-04 18:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-05  5:18                           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-05 19:06                           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-07  9:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-08  9:57                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-08 19:45                                 ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-08 20:05                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-08 23:12                                     ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-09 13:57                                       ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-09 13:57                                       ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-10 16:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-11  1:45                                           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-11 17:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-11 22:28                                               ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-12 18:34                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                   ` <6f3ba261-e1f9-cf19-cc22-ec8c24cf3298@gmx.de>
2020-02-12 23:20                                                     ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-13  1:18                                                       ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-13 15:09                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-13 16:30                                                           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-13 23:43                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-02-14  1:49                                                             ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-16  2:29                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-02-13 15:21                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-13 23:40                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-14  9:23                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-21  0:05                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-21  8:10                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-21 22:22                                                                 ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-22  7:44                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-22 13:46                                                                     ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-22 14:30                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-22 19:14                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-22 22:04                                                                           ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-22 23:32                                                                         ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-23 15:20                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-23 19:16                                                                             ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-22 19:30                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-22 22:00                                                                     ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-22 23:58                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-23  0:29                                                                         ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-24 23:07                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-25  2:22                                                                             ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-03-19 23:42                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-03 20:53                                                                                 ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-07-03 21:49                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-02-12 17:23                                               ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-09 13:57                                       ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-09 14:07                                         ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-08 23:59                                     ` Wolfgang Scherer
2020-02-09 21:06                               ` Wolfgang Scherer

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