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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, 66756@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#66756: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Improve discussion of 'let' in Elisp Introduction manual
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:41:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838r6nfkfj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64d90b0b-e003-7bc3-5312-6c7ab4c4591f@gmail.com> (message from Jim Porter on Fri, 24 Nov 2023 01:01:33 -0800)

> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 01:01:33 -0800
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, 66756@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
> 
> >> +As we discussed before, under lexical binding, @code{let} defines a
> >> +@emph{place} in your code where the variables have their own local
> >> +meaning.  Under dynamic binding, the rules are different: instead, you
> >> +are defining a @emph{time} in your code when the variables have their
> >> +own local meaning.
> > 
> > If this wants to explain the difference between compile-time and
> > run-time binding, then perhaps it should say so, instead of talking
> > about the confusing "place where" vs "time when" the value changes?
> > And if compile-time is problematic (Emacs being an interpreter), then
> > we should find another description, one that doesn't use confusing
> > concept of "place".
> 
> I'm open to other wordings, but I wanted to describe what's going on 
> without getting into the details of the interpreter or how it evaluates 
> the code. The "place" is supposed to refer to the actual body of the 
> 'let' form. That's described in the first part I changed. However, the 
> "time" description could probably be expanded.
> 
> Maybe we could contrast "within the body of the let expression" vs 
> "during execution of the let expression"? That gets across the idea to 
> me that the former is about compile-time ("body" refers to the actual 
> Lisp form), while the latter is about run-time ("execution").

"During the execution" is probably a good idea, but "within the body
of the expression" Does not seem to contrast with that, since it also
holds for dynamic binding.

I think the explanation should focus on the code of getx, not on the
code in the 'let'-form's body.  The reason for what happens under
lexical binding is in getx.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-24 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-26  5:54 bug#66756: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Improve discussion of 'let' in Elisp Introduction manual Jim Porter
2023-10-26 18:30 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-29 16:38   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-29 17:18     ` Drew Adams
2023-11-18  2:09     ` Jim Porter
2023-11-19  3:39       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-19  5:25         ` Jim Porter
2023-11-19  5:30           ` Jim Porter
2023-11-19  8:38             ` Michael Albinus
2023-11-19 20:17               ` Jim Porter
2023-11-19 23:05                 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-20 13:28                   ` Michael Albinus
2023-11-23  2:57             ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-23 21:04               ` Jim Porter
2023-11-24  7:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-24  9:01                   ` Jim Porter
2023-11-24 11:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-11-24 21:46                       ` Jim Porter
2023-11-25  7:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-30 21:03                           ` Jim Porter
2023-12-01  8:29                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-04  3:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-04  3:08                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-04  4:34                               ` Jim Porter
2023-12-10 19:36                                 ` Jim Porter
2023-12-16 23:10                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-17 20:47                                     ` Jim Porter
2024-01-09 18:40                                       ` Jim Porter
2023-12-04  3:08                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-04  8:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-04 16:44     ` Jim Porter
2023-11-06  2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-06  2:29 ` Richard Stallman

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