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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: 65803@debbugs.gnu.org, shingo.fg8@gmail.com
Subject: bug#65803: 29.1; Noto Sans Mono CJK JP has doubled-width on Windows
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:22:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <834jk2txe6.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7iac05e.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sun, 10 Sep 2023 09:00:45 +0800)

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: shingo.fg8@gmail.com,  65803@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 09:00:45 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Basically, calculating our own estimate of the average width means we
> > discard the attribute reported by the font, in effect backing up on
> > the change made in OpenType spec v3, which deprecated the previous
> > requirement to compute the average width based only on ASCII
> > characters.  This seems to be justified only because Emacs uses the
> > average width of the font for one purpose only: to calculate the
> > default column width of a frame.  So this calculation is only relevant
> > for when a font is used as the default face's font.  If we ever decide
> > to use the average width for anything else, we might be bitten by
> > this.
> >
> > So I think a cleaner solution would be to leave the average width
> > attribute as the font reports it, and introduce a new attribute for
> > the average width of the ASCII characters.  Not sure how urgent this
> > is, but we should at least describe this subtlety in the comments.
> 
> However, the only function of the average width property is to provide
> the average width of ASCII characters

AFAICT, we never use this for anything but FRAME_COLUMN_WIDTH.  So
when you talk about "average width of ASCII characters", I don't think
I understand what is that property, since we never call it like that
and never use it for ASCII characters.

> Moreover, the average width attribute in
> older TrueType fonts is that of each ASCII glyph, and several fonts
> provide no average width attribute at all (given that an OS/2 table need
> not be supplied in fonts that aren't designed to function under
> MS-Windows), in which case calculating its value for each glyph at
> load-time will prove prohibitively expensive.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.  Who suggested to
calculate the value of the average width for each glyph in the font at
load time?





  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-10  5:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-07 13:38 bug#65803: 29.1; Noto Sans Mono CJK JP has doubled-width on Windows Shingo Tanaka
2023-09-07 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 14:24   ` Shingo Tanaka
2023-09-07 14:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 14:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 23:19         ` Shingo Tanaka
2023-09-08  6:25           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-07 22:26             ` Shingo Tanaka
2023-09-08 12:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 13:42                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-08 14:49                   ` Werner LEMBERG
2023-09-09 12:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-09 13:42                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-09 14:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-09 12:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-09 13:38                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-09 14:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-09 14:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  1:00                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  5:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-09-10  5:36                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  5:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  5:55                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  6:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  7:31                                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  7:53                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  7:55                                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  8:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  8:08                                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  8:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  8:31                                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10  8:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10  9:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10 11:29                                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10 11:44                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10 12:09                                                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-10 12:43                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-10 12:39                                               ` Shingo Tanaka

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