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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: 32252@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32252: [PATCH] %o and %x now format signed numbers
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 17:50:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6f720005-b5e4-5d1c-b4e8-a8992c7635c4@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2in54xzxe.fsf@gmail.com>

Helmut Eller wrote:

> In practice, printf ("%x", (int)N) prints the bits in N as unsigned
> integer not as signed integer.

That's two operations not one, and even there the results disagree with what 
(format "%x" N) does. On every Emacs platform I've ever used the C output begins 
with a different hex digit than the Emacs Lisp output. Emacs has never done %x 
just like that unportable C code, and likely will never do so.

> #x-1 maybe interesting to the read function but it's not interesting to
> humans.  Humans want to see #x3fffffffffffffff.

I doubt very much that most humans really want to see an error-prone notation 
like that (can you easily spot the difference between it and 
#x3ffffffffffffffff? I can't). And even if some humans did want it, they won't 
get it on 32-bit Emacs. This whole idea is a bad approach for Emacs.

What I expect most users would prefer is an approach where 'read' and 'format' 
are inverses, e.g., (read (printf "#x%x" N)) returns N for every integer N. 
Emacs doesn't do that now, and the proposed patch fixes things so that it does. 
No other approach has been proposed that would make much sense (that is, be 
portable, be easily extendible to bignums, that sort of thing).

> you should have no problem with introducing an
> new specifier for this.

I'd rather not, as the hex stuff has never worked right in Emacs and we 
shouldn't be codifying old bugs.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-25  0:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-23 19:12 bug#32252: [PATCH] %o and %x now format signed numbers Paul Eggert
2018-07-23 19:48 ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-23 19:49 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-23 23:30   ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24  1:20     ` Drew Adams
2018-07-24  2:04       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24  2:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-24  2:44           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24 14:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-24  4:15         ` Drew Adams
2018-07-23 23:39 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24  1:16   ` Drew Adams
2018-07-25  3:53     ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-25 21:56       ` Drew Adams
2018-07-27  3:20         ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-24  4:49   ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-24 14:22     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24 14:35       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-07-24 18:15       ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-25  0:50         ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-07-25  2:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 17:21             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-25 17:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-26  7:44                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-26  8:04                   ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26  8:16                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-25  6:58           ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26  7:59             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-26  8:43               ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26  9:15                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-26  9:39                   ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26  9:31                 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-07-26  9:40                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-26  9:56                   ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26 16:55                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-26 17:16                       ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26 17:50                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-26 18:35                           ` Helmut Eller
2018-07-26 21:07                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24 18:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25  0:54       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-25  8:09         ` Andreas Schwab
2018-07-25 20:16           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-25 14:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-25 23:33         ` Brett Gilio
2018-07-26  7:26           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-24 16:26 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-25 10:08 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-26 12:52 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-26 12:54 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-26 17:18 ` Helmut Eller
2018-08-23  9:37 ` Helmut Eller
2022-07-04  1:03 ` bug#32252: i find binary-as-unsigned to be very helpful snickerbockers

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