bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Jurzitza Dieter]

From: djurzitza@our.domain.is.not.set
To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional
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When starting emacs in Windows (Win 7) with parameter "-iconic" or with icon configuration saying start iconic, it always runs foreground.
Doing the same in linux does never cause similar issues. It would be very kind if someone could take a look why this happens.
Thank you very much,
take care





Dieter Jurzitza





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bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[martin rudalics]

 > When starting emacs in Windows (Win 7) with parameter "-iconic" or with icon configuration saying start iconic, it always runs foreground.
 > Doing the same in linux does never cause similar issues. It would be very kind if someone could take a look why this happens.

Works on Windows XP.  Does it happen with "emacs -Q -iconic" too?

Does

M-: (set-frame-parameter nil 'visibility 'icon)

iconify the frame?

martin

bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:52:31 +0200
> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> 
>  > When starting emacs in Windows (Win 7) with parameter "-iconic" or with icon configuration saying start iconic, it always runs foreground.
>  > Doing the same in linux does never cause similar issues. It would be very kind if someone could take a look why this happens.
> 
> Works on Windows XP.

In Emacs 24.5?  Not for me.

It appears that this problem was already solved in the development
sources, so I guess we can close this bug.

> Does it happen with "emacs -Q -iconic" too?

With Emacs 24.5, yes.  With the latest Git master, no.

bug#20991: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Jurzitza Dieter]

Dear listmembers,
thank you very much for your quick replies. I tested 

emacs -Q -iconic

on my Win 7 installation - no change in behaviour as pointed out by Mr. Zaretski. From your comments I read that I simply have to wait a little bit - the issue is known and "on it's way to be fixed".

Thanks again,
take care




Dieter Jurzitza


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:eliz@gnu.org]
> Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juli 2015 19:01
> An: martin rudalics
> Cc: Jurzitza Dieter; 20991@debbugs.gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional
> 
> > Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:52:31 +0200
> > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> >
> >  > When starting emacs in Windows (Win 7) with parameter "-iconic" or with
> icon configuration saying start iconic, it always runs foreground.
> >  > Doing the same in linux does never cause similar issues. It would be very
> kind if someone could take a look why this happens.
> >
> > Works on Windows XP.
> 
> In Emacs 24.5?  Not for me.
> 
> It appears that this problem was already solved in the development sources, so I
> guess we can close this bug.
> 
> > Does it happen with "emacs -Q -iconic" too?
> 
> With Emacs 24.5, yes.  With the latest Git master, no.

bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[martin rudalics]

 > From your comments I read that I simply have to wait a little bit -
 > the issue is known and "on it's way to be fixed".

It apparently has been fixed already.  Can you try the development
version?

martin

bug#20991: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Jurzitza Dieter]

Dear Martin,
thank you for the hint - is there any location to download the development-version for MS-Windows? I can easily compile whatever is necessary on linux, however, MS-Windows is causing me trouble in this regard.
Thanks again,
take care




Dieter Jurzitza 

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: martin rudalics [mailto:rudalics@gmx.at]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 09:23
> An: Jurzitza Dieter; Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: 20991@debbugs.gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional
> 
>  > From your comments I read that I simply have to wait a little bit -  > the issue
> is known and "on it's way to be fixed".
> 
> It apparently has been fixed already.  Can you try the development version?
> 
> martin

bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[martin rudalics]

 > thank you for the hint - is there any location to download the
 > development-version for MS-Windows?

Dani Moncayo provides the most recent binaries here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacs-bin/?source=recommended

You could also have a look at:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/files/snapshot/

Good luck, martin

bug#20991: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Jurzitza Dieter]

Dear Martin,
ok, I took a recent emacs version (64 Bit) from here: 

http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/files/snapshot/

- starting "runemacs -iconic"
 
is working now as expected, emacs stays iconified in the menubar

- adjusting the desktop icon's properties  in such a way that the application should start iconified does currently not work (GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32)
 of 2015-06-26 on KAEL), emacs pops up in the foreground (using "runemacs"). You have to add "-iconic" to the commandline of the icon configuration in order to make this functional.

The second case is kind of toleable but still emacs does not behave as a regular windows application would do. Apparently the attributes of the icon do not get propagated to the application somehow.
This is just to let you know about my findings, many thanks for your efforts and suggestions anyway,
take care





Dieter Jurzitza
 

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: martin rudalics [mailto:rudalics@gmx.at]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2015 09:10
> An: Jurzitza Dieter; Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: 20991@debbugs.gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional
> 
>  > thank you for the hint - is there any location to download the  > development-
> version for MS-Windows?
> 
> Dani Moncayo provides the most recent binaries here:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacs-bin/?source=recommended
> 
> You could also have a look at:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/emacsbinw64/files/snapshot/
> 
> Good luck, martin

bug#20991: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jurzitza Dieter <dieter.jurzitza@herrmannultraschall.com>
> CC: "20991@debbugs.gnu.org" <20991@debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 11:09:14 +0000
> 
> - adjusting the desktop icon's properties  in such a way that the application should start iconified does currently not work (GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32)
>  of 2015-06-26 on KAEL), emacs pops up in the foreground (using "runemacs"). You have to add "-iconic" to the commandline of the icon configuration in order to make this functional.
> 
> The second case is kind of toleable but still emacs does not behave as a regular windows application would do. Apparently the attributes of the icon do not get propagated to the application somehow.

The properties do get propagated to the application, but it's not the
application you want.  The runemacs.exe application indeed runs
minimized, but you want emacs.exe to start minimized instead.  That's
not something that can work without us coding it specifically to work
this way, as in general these properties are not automatically passed
from parent process to the child processes.

I installed a change to run Emacs with the --iconic option when
runemacs.exe is invoked "minimized".  So some next binary of a
development snapshot you will download will work as you expect.

With all the issues in this bug report now resolved, I'm closing it.

Thanks.

bug#20991: AW: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[Jurzitza Dieter]

Hello Eli,
thank you very much for your time and your efforts. I really appreciate all the work you are doing and consequently providing such a tool like Emacs. 
Emacs on Windows is not my preferred working environment, however, my business environment forces me to use Windows the most part of the day, so I am very happy that people like you make it possible to continue using my preferred editor at least.
I will test again in a little while from now and report my findings again - many thanks for your efforts until then,
take care




Dieter Jurzitza


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Eli Zaretskii [mailto:eliz@gnu.org]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2015 16:27
> An: Jurzitza Dieter
> Cc: rudalics@gmx.at; 20991-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional
> 
> > From: Jurzitza Dieter <dieter.jurzitza@herrmannultraschall.com>
> > CC: "20991@debbugs.gnu.org" <20991@debbugs.gnu.org>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 11:09:14 +0000
> >
> > - adjusting the desktop icon's properties  in such a way that the
> > application should start iconified does currently not work (GNU Emacs
> 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32)  of 2015-06-26 on KAEL), emacs pops up in the
> foreground (using "runemacs"). You have to add "-iconic" to the commandline of
> the icon configuration in order to make this functional.
> >
> > The second case is kind of toleable but still emacs does not behave as a
> regular windows application would do. Apparently the attributes of the icon do not
> get propagated to the application somehow.
> 
> The properties do get propagated to the application, but it's not the application
> you want.  The runemacs.exe application indeed runs minimized, but you want
> emacs.exe to start minimized instead.  That's not something that can work
> without us coding it specifically to work this way, as in general these properties
> are not automatically passed from parent process to the child processes.
> 
> I installed a change to run Emacs with the --iconic option when runemacs.exe is
> invoked "minimized".  So some next binary of a development snapshot you will
> download will work as you expect.
> 
> With all the issues in this bug report now resolved, I'm closing it.
> 
> Thanks.

bug#20991: 24.5; start iconified in Windows disfunctional

[martin rudalics]

 >> Works on Windows XP.
 >
 > In Emacs 24.5?  Not for me.

Neither for me.

 > It appears that this problem was already solved in the development
 > sources, so I guess we can close this bug.

I vaguely recall fixing some other size related command line options
which were completely broken on Windows in previous versions.  But I
don't recall anything particular about this one.

 >> Does it happen with "emacs -Q -iconic" too?
 >
 > With Emacs 24.5, yes.  With the latest Git master, no.

Same here.

martin