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From: Dmitry Gutov <raaahh@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 13149@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu
Subject: bug#13149: 24.3.50; Emacs thinks file was changed outside Emacs, but it was not
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:15:43 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50F8CC6F.7000106@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83txqf7n9o.fsf@gnu.org>

On 17.01.2013 21:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:32:56 +0400
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <raaahh@gmail.com>
>> CC: 13149@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>>
>> Looked at the VirtualBox bug reports, found just this one:
>> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/10986, not much information there.
>>
>> Some more about space rays:
>> 1) I now have a version of Emacs compiled on a brand-new Fedora virtual
>> machine from emacs-24 branch (revno 111185) that exhibits the problem.
>> Just tested it simultaneously with Ubuntu, emacs-24 on Fedora is buggy,
>> Ubuntu's is not. The following items (2 and 3) are from a few hours ago,
>> when I tested Fedora machine exclusively.
>> 2) Editing the file on a different disk on the host system (HDD vs SSD)
>> makes no difference, the bug is present.
>> 3) Process Monitor doesn't show any other processes accessing the file
>> on the host machine other than VirtualBox.exe, SYSTEM and
>> SearchProtocolHost.exe. The last one goes away if I stop the Windows
>> Search service, but the problem stays.
>
> I suspect that what you see is some bad interaction between VirtualBox
> and the nasty way Windows disk cache optimizes its disk I/O.  It is
> known to update the file attributes lazily, so data could be written
> to a file without the file's directory entry updated at the same time,
> until some time later.

I wonder why I don't see that with the straight Windows build editing 
files on the local filesystem. Does it forcibly disable some optimizations?

>> I'm attaching the exported event log for the open-modify-save
>> scenario (file-access-log.csv) in case someone knowledgeable can see
>> anything weird there (Eli?).
>
> I don't see anything interesting there, although I cannot pretend that
> I've studied every single entry.

Oh well. It was worth a try.





  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-18  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-11 21:51 bug#13149: 24.3.50; Emacs thinks file was changed outside Emacs, but it was not Drew Adams
2012-12-11 22:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-12-11 22:54   ` Drew Adams
2013-01-14  5:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-14 14:57       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-14 17:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-14 22:22           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-14 18:28         ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-14 22:20           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-15  6:45             ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-15  8:54               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-15 17:31                 ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-15 21:38                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-15 21:47                     ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-15 22:11                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-15 22:38                         ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-15 23:09                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-15 23:44                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-16  5:57                               ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-17 10:32                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-17 17:05                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-18  4:15                                     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2013-01-18  7:49                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-17 21:14                                   ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18  4:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18  5:26                                       ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-17 21:33                                   ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18  4:36                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18  5:01                                       ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18  5:10                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18  5:25                                           ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18  5:54                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18  6:22                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18  7:56                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-18 14:45                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-18 21:35                                               ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18 22:52                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-19  0:55                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-19  1:09                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-19  2:37                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-19  4:02                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-01-19  4:51                                                           ` Paul Eggert
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2013-01-19  5:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 16:32                                                               ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 16:43                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 16:49                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 18:43                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-01 19:19                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 19:36                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-01 22:15                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2013-02-02  9:41                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-02 16:06                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 19:38                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-01 22:13                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 21:05                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2013-02-01 22:14                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-01 22:22                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2013-02-02  9:43                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-19  8:39                                                                         ` Uwe Siart
2013-03-19 16:55                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-19 17:50                                                                             ` Uwe Siart
2014-02-06  1:40                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-06  6:12                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2014-02-06  6:19                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-02  9:38                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-02 19:31                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2013-01-18  7:57                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-17 17:16                                 ` David Engster

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