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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eenliu@gmail.com, 14326@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#14326: 24.3; Conflict of w32-send-sys-command and set-default-font
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:31:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DBCC1F8F1BA4204B449175E8357EAC7@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ehdnn7ge.fsf@gnu.org>

> > > For example, increasing the font size should not make a 
> > > maximized frame larger than the screen.  We're kidding users
> > > with such behavior.
> > 
> > 1. Your argument here applies to any size increase beyond 
> > the screen size, not just doing that via `set-frame-font'.
> > So it is irrelevant as an argument why resizing via
> > `set-frame-font' should be an exception.
> 
> It _is_ relevant, because Martin's argument applies not only to
> increasing maximized frames, but also to decreasing their size as
> well, as side effect of any change except an explicit change in frame
> dimensions.

What argument?  That is the conclusion, but what is the argument supporting it?

> IOW, when the frame is maximized, only explicitly changing its height
> or width, or explicitly un-maximizing it, should

Should why?  That's the question.  Haven't seen an answer yet.

> ever affect the frame's size.  Any other changes, such as font change or
> adding/removing scroll bars or fringes -- should

Should why?

> leave the frame at the same pixel dimensions, i.e. still maximized.

All of that just repeats the claim; it does not support it.
That is the claim for which I am asking for a supporting reason.

You have also generalized beyond just `set-frame-font' (the only exception
mentioned until now, AFAIK), BTW.  Now it is apparently not just
`set-frame-font' that is the exception but any way of resizing other than
"explicitly changing its height or width, or explicitly un-maximizing it".

My question remains, in any case: What is the _reason_ why such ways of resizing
should be neutered?  What is the _reason_ why "explicitly changing its height or
width, or explicitly un-maximizing it" should be the only way of changing the
size?

There might be a good reason for such a claim, but I've seen none advanced, so
far.  "X because X" is no support for X: it just assumes the conclusion.






  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-03 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-01  1:34 bug#14326: 24.3; Conflict of w32-send-sys-command and set-default-font Eric Liu
2013-05-01  9:15 ` martin rudalics
2013-05-01 15:02   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-01 17:33     ` Eric Liu
2013-05-01 17:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-02  9:23     ` martin rudalics
2013-05-02 17:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-02 18:32         ` martin rudalics
2013-05-02 18:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-02 19:08             ` martin rudalics
2013-05-02 19:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03  6:48                 ` martin rudalics
2013-05-03  7:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03  7:28                     ` martin rudalics
2013-05-03 14:59                   ` Drew Adams
2013-05-03 15:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03 15:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03 16:26                       ` Drew Adams
2013-05-03 18:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2013-05-03 19:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03 18:59                       ` martin rudalics
2013-05-03 20:06                         ` Drew Adams
2013-05-03 20:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-03 20:31                             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-05-04  6:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-05-04  7:50                                 ` martin rudalics
2013-05-04 14:17                                 ` Drew Adams

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