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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: acohen@ust.hk, 64391@debbugs.gnu.org,
	mattias.engdegard@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org
Subject: bug#64391: buffer narrowing slowdown regression in emacs 29
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 20:58:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <239e2a5aa11924a2f1d3@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpm53wx84.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>


>> I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.  The only way (except by 
>> using internal functions) to enter a labeled restriction is to use the 
>> with-restriction special form with its optional label argument.
>
> Nitpick: it's not a special form, it's a macro.  There's a *big* 
> difference because adding a special form requires changing 
> `macroexpand-all`, the compiler, yadayada, and it introduces backward 
> incompatibilities with packages doing their own code-walks.
>

TIL.  I thought that "special form" and "macro" were more or less 
synonyms.  The manual describes lambda, prog2, setq-default, dlet, letrec, 
named-let, with-suppressed-warnings, with-no-warnings, with-restriction 
and without-restriction as "special forms", although they are in fact 
macros.  That being said, from a Elisp programmer viewpoint, special forms 
and macros are similar, and AFAIU one could say that a special form is a 
macro written in C, and a macro is a special form written in Elisp.

Should the above occurrences of "special form" be corrected in the 
manuals?

>> Indeed, but I'd say it's clear enough from the context that "symbol" 
>> means a quoted symbol here.
>
> Other nitpick: nil can also be quoted :-)
>

I knew someone would say that ;-)

>
> BTW, "LABEL is a symbol" sends the wrong message (a quoted symbol 
> evaluates to a symbol but it's not itself a symbol). IOW the docstring 
> should clarify that LABEL is an expression that's evaluated at runtime 
> (and should return a symbol). While I'm here, is it important that LABEL 
> evaluates to a symbol? Or is it like `catch/throw` where we expect most 
> uses to use a symbol but where any other (non-nil) value works as well?
>

The latter: it's like catch/throw, it's intended to use with a symbol but 
it could be any non-nil value.  So one could write something similar to 
what is found in the docstring of catch: "LABEL is evalled to get the 
label to use, it must not be nil".






  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-08 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-01  0:15 bug#64391: 30.0.50; buffer narrowing slowdown regression in emacs 29 Andrew Cohen
2023-07-01  2:45 ` bug#64391: bug 64391 wrong git info Andrew Cohen
2023-07-01  4:59 ` bug#64391: more info Andrew Cohen
2023-07-01 11:37   ` bug#64391: buffer narrowing slowdown regression in emacs 29 Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-01 12:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-01 12:52       ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-02  7:35         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-05 11:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 14:41             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-06 17:33               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-06 18:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 18:45                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07  9:30                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-07 10:00                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07 10:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 10:31                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07 12:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:46                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07 11:33                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-07 12:42                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07 15:49                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-08 20:58                               ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2023-07-08 21:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-08 22:21                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-08 23:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-09 16:03                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09 18:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-09  6:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09  8:35                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09  8:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 16:04                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09 16:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 18:03                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09 18:52                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-09 19:19                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09 19:42                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-09 19:44                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-09 19:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 19:06                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 19:29                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-07 10:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 11:27                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-07 12:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 16:49                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-07 18:22                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08  8:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 19:41                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-02  9:37         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-07-01  7:07 ` bug#64391: 30.0.50; " Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-01  7:31   ` Andrew Cohen
2023-07-01  8:09     ` Eli Zaretskii

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