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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 40919@debbugs.gnu.org, tspiteri@ieee.org, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#40919: 27.0.91; next-error-select-buffer does not always behave as documented
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:20:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <22867ca3-1fa8-96d0-4895-4875eba6ff87@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83367mvfxe.fsf@gnu.org>

On 26.05.2020 19:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Cc: juri@linkov.net, 40919@debbugs.gnu.org, tspiteri@ieee.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 02:17:34 +0300
>>
>> The attached patch moves case #2 into a new function and makes it the
>> default value of the said defcustom (thus case #2 effectively moves into
>> case #1). As a result, the default behavior doesn't change, but the user
>> will have a much easier time turning off case #2.
> 
> Maybe I don't understand something, but it looks to me that this
> changes the behavior if next-error-find-buffer-function has a
> non-default value:

Yes. I only claimed that the _default_ behavior doesn't change. The user 
option was only added in Emacs 27, so this doesn't seem to be a big problem.

> previously what's now
> next-error-no-navigation-try-current would be executed after calling
> next-error-find-buffer-function, now it isn't.  Is that really
> necessary?

It seems to be the best and safest option at the moment. I imagine that 
if someone customized the variable they either used the only available 
non-#'ignore value and thus want the Emacs 26 behavior (so taking out 
case #2 would only make them happier), or wrong their own function, in 
which case they might need to update that function.

>>> (Btw, the textual descriptions of the options both in the patch and
>>> those already in the code are confusingly obscure, so much so that I
>>> don't think I could understand what each one does.)
>>
>> Knowing the subject matter somewhat, I think the descriptions are
>> meaningful enough, but to make sense of them one has to understand how
>> the whole feature comes together. E.g. at what times
>> next-error-find-buffer is called.
> 
> I think I know something about the subject matter, and still the text
> is quite impenetrable for me.

Perhaps they could be improved. Still, the situation is probably better 
than it was before.

Do the 'next-error' entries in NEWS.27 make sense to you, BTW?

>>> All in all, I feel (for quite some time) that this area is
>>> over-engineered and keeps bumping into more and more unintended
>>> consequences.  Maybe it's time to take a step back and rethink the
>>> entire subject?  (But definitely not on the release branch.)
>>
>> That's what we're doing here.
> 
> Sigh.

Also see the related discussion in emacs-devel (one that stems from 2018).





  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-26 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-28  1:51 bug#40919: 27.0.91; next-error-select-buffer does not always behave as documented Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-28 11:37 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-28 23:40 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29  0:13   ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-29 20:38     ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29 22:40       ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-30 20:14         ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-30 23:18           ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-05-02 23:38             ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-03  2:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 22:36                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-19  1:48                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-19 22:21                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-21 23:57                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-23 22:24                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-23 23:30                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-24 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-25  1:58                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-25 15:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-25 23:17                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 16:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 16:20                                       ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-05-26 16:33                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 20:39                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-27 19:18                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-30 22:29                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:03                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:28                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-11 13:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-11 22:39                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-12  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 22:53                                           ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-14 23:17                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-28 23:07                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-01 22:41                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-01 23:04                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-10 23:05                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:32                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-11 22:43                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-14 11:50                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-14 23:15                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-15  7:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-24 23:38                                             ` Juri Linkov

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