From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 40919@debbugs.gnu.org, tspiteri@ieee.org, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#40919: 27.0.91; next-error-select-buffer does not always behave as documented
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 19:20:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <22867ca3-1fa8-96d0-4895-4875eba6ff87@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83367mvfxe.fsf@gnu.org>
On 26.05.2020 19:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Cc: juri@linkov.net, 40919@debbugs.gnu.org, tspiteri@ieee.org
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 02:17:34 +0300
>>
>> The attached patch moves case #2 into a new function and makes it the
>> default value of the said defcustom (thus case #2 effectively moves into
>> case #1). As a result, the default behavior doesn't change, but the user
>> will have a much easier time turning off case #2.
>
> Maybe I don't understand something, but it looks to me that this
> changes the behavior if next-error-find-buffer-function has a
> non-default value:
Yes. I only claimed that the _default_ behavior doesn't change. The user
option was only added in Emacs 27, so this doesn't seem to be a big problem.
> previously what's now
> next-error-no-navigation-try-current would be executed after calling
> next-error-find-buffer-function, now it isn't. Is that really
> necessary?
It seems to be the best and safest option at the moment. I imagine that
if someone customized the variable they either used the only available
non-#'ignore value and thus want the Emacs 26 behavior (so taking out
case #2 would only make them happier), or wrong their own function, in
which case they might need to update that function.
>>> (Btw, the textual descriptions of the options both in the patch and
>>> those already in the code are confusingly obscure, so much so that I
>>> don't think I could understand what each one does.)
>>
>> Knowing the subject matter somewhat, I think the descriptions are
>> meaningful enough, but to make sense of them one has to understand how
>> the whole feature comes together. E.g. at what times
>> next-error-find-buffer is called.
>
> I think I know something about the subject matter, and still the text
> is quite impenetrable for me.
Perhaps they could be improved. Still, the situation is probably better
than it was before.
Do the 'next-error' entries in NEWS.27 make sense to you, BTW?
>>> All in all, I feel (for quite some time) that this area is
>>> over-engineered and keeps bumping into more and more unintended
>>> consequences. Maybe it's time to take a step back and rethink the
>>> entire subject? (But definitely not on the release branch.)
>>
>> That's what we're doing here.
>
> Sigh.
Also see the related discussion in emacs-devel (one that stems from 2018).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-26 16:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-28 1:51 bug#40919: 27.0.91; next-error-select-buffer does not always behave as documented Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-28 11:37 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-28 23:40 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29 0:13 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-29 20:38 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29 22:40 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-04-30 20:14 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-30 23:18 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-05-02 23:38 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-03 2:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 22:36 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-19 1:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-19 22:21 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-21 23:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-23 22:24 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-23 23:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-24 21:48 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-25 1:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-25 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-25 23:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-26 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 16:20 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-05-26 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 20:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-27 19:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-30 22:29 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:03 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-11 13:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-11 22:39 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-12 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-13 22:53 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-14 23:17 ` Juri Linkov
2020-05-28 23:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-01 22:41 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-01 23:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-10 23:05 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-10 23:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-11 22:43 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-14 11:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-14 23:15 ` Juri Linkov
2020-06-15 7:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-24 23:38 ` Juri Linkov
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