From: Catonano <catonano@gmail.com>
To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: npm (mitigation)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:32:49 +0200 [thread overview]
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2017-07-14 19:11 GMT+02:00 Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>:
> Catonano writes:
>
> > I read that Jelle and Jan used their own branch in order to have npm
> > based software to be installed in their GuixSD environments, as binary
> > blobs
>
> Jelle wrote a nice and clean npm importer, no binary anything.
>
> Npm packages have the can be source or binary. Depending on how you
> want to look at it you can make change this source/binary disctinction
> less white/black and turn it into a gray-scale.
>
> As we are talking about javascript, in some cases source and binary
> packages are identical. In other cases, the binary packages come with
> preprocessed documentation and lack the sources. Other binary packages
> include minimized javascript and even further into the darkness some
> binary packages do not include the non-minimized javascript. Then some
> binary packages come with pre-compiled binaries and the worst are binary
> package that do not come with the C/C++ sources that were used to
> compile these binaries.
>
> In all these cases the binary packages can be built from their source
> package. Here is where it starts to get nasty. Building a package from
> source can only be done if you have all its dependencies already
> installed. In theory that should not be a problem.
>
> It appears that the npm ecosystem has manouvered itself into a place
> where bootstrapping seems impossible: it turns out that any serious
> package (notably all npm build system packages) have over 1000
> dependencies, often with cyclic dependencies or even missing packages.
>
> To break this boostrap loop on Guix I have added a couple of patches
> onto Jelle's npm importer branch that implement a --binary flag. This
> allows binary npm packages to be installed in Guix and serve as a basis
> to build other npm packages from source.
>
> Apparently have no problem*) adding binary blobs for gcc, haskell (...?)
> to Guix. Similarly we could consider adding a/some binary blobs for npm
> buildsystem packages to Guix and use those for a basis to build
> source-only packages.
>
> > Can I ask you for instructions about how to do that exactly ?
>
> git clone https://gitlab.com/janneke/guix.git
>
> The branch `npm' is rebased on version-0.13.0, have a look at
>
> guix import npm --help
>
> and look in gnu/packages/npm.scm for instructions.
>
> Greetings,
> janneke
>
> *) Actually I do not like this very much and that's why some of us seek
> to remove the need for our bootstrap binaries with our stage0 and Mes
> projects.
>
Thanks.
Both for the wrap up and for the instructions.
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-07-17 9:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-07-14 8:52 npm (mitigation) Catonano
2017-07-14 11:57 ` Jelle Licht
2017-07-15 3:34 ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-15 3:57 ` Jelle Licht
2017-07-15 17:39 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2017-07-15 16:51 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2017-07-17 9:45 ` Catonano
2017-07-18 2:12 ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-17 9:28 ` Catonano
2017-07-24 15:39 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-07-25 6:37 ` Catonano
2017-07-14 17:11 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-07-17 9:32 ` Catonano [this message]
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