From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Cc: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 15:53:47 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874k0wucxg.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czflas36.fsf@gmail.com> ("Kévin Le Gouguec"'s message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2022 08:46:37 +0200")
Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com> writes:
> This thread has been a bit disheartening to read from the sidelines; as
> much as I empathize with wanting to keep Emacs accessible by avoiding
> code bloat and keeping cognitive load low, it is hard to know what to
> reply to statements such as this one.
>
> No one has ever had to "go through the entire Org manual in order to
> write and edit README files". Just like no one has ever had to read the
> Emacs manual cover-to-cover in order to do anything with it (they _can_,
> of course, but they don't _have to_).
So what was the purpose of the following statement?
>> Spend the time to go through the key bindings listed in the org
>> manual
> I don't see how enabling these section-folding and navigation features
> could hurt the accessibility of package READMEs written in a structured
> format. Alan rightly points out that Org overreaches with unhelpful key
> bindings, and the benchmarks posted earlier show that loading Org
> wholesale for displaying READMEs would be irksome; to me that merely
> suggests that whatever subset of Org features we find relevant for
> _consulting_ READMEs should be better modularized.
IMO, packages should provide a plain text README, alongside a rich text
version in a relatively standard format like HTML.
By using HTML, it becomes readable not only in Emacs, but also any other
program that understands HTML. HTML is also understood by many more
people than Org mode.
It's okay for package maintainers to write their documentation using
Org, and then to export it to HTML. But please don't insist that all
documentation be written using Org mode, or that it's okay for packages
to only provide documentation in that format.
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2022-06-04 13:14 Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package Akib Azmain Turja
2022-06-04 13:32 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-04 14:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-04 14:31 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-04 17:39 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-06-04 16:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-04 17:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-04 21:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-05 8:38 ` Michael Albinus
2022-06-05 8:51 ` Po Lu
2022-06-05 10:26 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-05 11:15 ` Michael Albinus
2022-06-05 16:52 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-06 0:19 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-06 9:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-06-06 13:47 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-06 14:15 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-06-06 11:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-06 12:26 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-06-06 13:57 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-06 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-07 6:14 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-07 11:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-08 13:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-08 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-08 15:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-08 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-09 9:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-09 9:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 3:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-11 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 8:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 9:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 9:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-15 5:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-15 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-17 5:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-17 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18 4:40 ` Limitations on using Org mode in buffers mixing Org markup with non-Org markup (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-19 5:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 5:10 ` Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package Po Lu
2022-06-18 11:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-18 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-18 15:50 ` tomas
2022-06-18 16:00 ` Visuwesh
2022-06-18 17:13 ` tomas
2022-06-18 17:33 ` Yuri Khan
2022-06-18 23:27 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-18 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-18 17:55 ` Visuwesh
2022-06-18 18:39 ` tomas
2022-06-18 23:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-19 0:24 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-19 4:35 ` tomas
2022-06-19 5:36 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-19 6:43 ` tomas
2022-06-19 17:03 ` Drew Adams
2022-06-19 1:48 ` Po Lu
2022-06-19 2:08 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-19 3:00 ` Po Lu
2022-06-19 6:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-19 6:41 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-18 23:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-19 11:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-19 17:10 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-20 6:05 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-06-20 8:49 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-12 13:53 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-06-12 20:07 ` Common keybindings idea for multiple markups Jean Louis
2022-06-08 19:34 ` Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package Tim Cross
2022-06-09 5:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-09 19:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-11 4:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-07 16:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-07 18:14 ` Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Stefan Monnier
2022-06-07 18:26 ` Org mode and Emacs Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-07 18:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-07 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-07 19:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-07 20:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-07 22:10 ` Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Tim Cross
2022-06-08 6:06 ` Org mode and Emacs Visuwesh
2022-06-08 6:58 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-09 22:31 ` Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Richard Stallman
2022-06-09 23:10 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-10 5:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10 6:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-10 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 4:49 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-11 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 7:59 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-11 8:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 9:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 10:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 10:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 10:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-12 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12 15:31 ` Org mode and Emacs Colin Baxter
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