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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.90 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=MzWJJJJs; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=caramail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2A56B940821 X-Spam-Score: -1.90 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: RB3oTtPqhmn7 > If you care to share a slightly bigger picture view, particularly about > the structure of the data you are trying to capture (and/or, your > workflow) we could likely come up with something that would work much > better for you than a capture template, at least in this particular > case. Most agencies, universities, museums and archaeological organizations use standard forms for recording sites. Generally speaking these are used but with a couple of caveats. First, there are occasions when a standard form may not call for recording enough data or the right kinds of data to satis= fy particular needs. Then there are Exclusive Surveys (Incomplete coverage, portions of the project are excluded) and Unsystematic Surveys (done witho= ut a specific plan, methods at varied level of intensity; coverage random, opportunistic, or intuitive). In many instances, previous work would have been done, so people would want to quickly skip entries. The plan for Org-Mode Capture is primarily for such Exclusive and Unsystem= atic Surveys where we do not necessarily use standard forms. I'm not sure if you captu= re the drift concerning unsystematic surveys. Most times I cannot tell you exactly wha= t people in the field came up with. The pace can be rapid and some could be working i= n challenging conditions. The plan is for the Crew Chief to make a quick template, and = which could change each day. maintain and review notebooks and records and overseeing= quality control is done daily. It is customary to split the day. One of the best= ways we improve survey efficiency is to anticipate bottlenecks and invent creative= logistical solutions right in the field. The long template situation then occurs. You can access better than mysel= f as you know what org and org-capture can do and what not. I briefly reported on = what we found problematic in practice. But we're at the beginning of this, and wo= uld likely report on other things as we progress. Still, most things are lik= ely to be done by the "Institute for Technologies applied to Cultural Heritage= (itabc)". Nevertheless, we see some aspects where your scheme can be improved to cat= er for more serious work. Emacs is quite good software. Hope my comments helped somewhat. Pietru > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 4:16 AM > From: "TRS-80" > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Org Capture Menu cannot be fully viewed > > On 2020-12-12 21:08, pietru@caramail.com wrote: > > Here is one version of a template > > > > (setq capture-template-investigation-type '( > > > > ("a" "Historic Background Research Site Evaluation/Testing" entry > > (file "~/histr/archaeol.org") > > "* Site_Type: %?\n %T\n") > > > > [...] > > > > ("u" "Remote Sensing" entry > > (file "~/histr/archaeol.org") > > "* Site_Type: %?\n %T\n") )) > > > > Are there any more to these templates you did not show? > > Because, (and unless I am missing something) what I see are essentially > all the same (and quite simple). You would end up with something like > the following in your target file (with the cursor ending up at the x): > #+begin_example > > * Site_Type: x > [2020-12-12 Sat 21:58] > > #+end_example > > In fact I don't even see where the type name ends up in the result? > > If all my assumptions above are true, I think you would probably be > better served with a simple completing-read (or similar) function to > select the "Investigation Type" from a list and then simply insert that > along with a timestamp. Which it will take you longer to reply to this > email and confirm than it would take me to write such a function. :) > > Benefit of that way also removes possibility of typos in the type name. > > In fact, the above could even be done with something as simple as > Yankpad[0]. > > I have no idea what your workflow looks like, or where this data ends > up. However, thinking further, I would imagine it might even be helpful > to set one or more Org properties[1] for things like "Investigation > Type" (along with some other things I could speculate like "Location" > etc.). But all of that depends on even more things I don't know about. > > If you care to share a slightly bigger picture view, particularly about > the structure of the data you are trying to capture (and/or, your > workflow) we could likely come up with something that would work much > better for you than a capture template, at least in this particular > case. > > Cheers, > TRS-80 > > [0] https://github.com/Kungsgeten/yankpad > [1] https://orgmode.org/manual/Properties-and-Columns.html > >