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From: daniela-spit@gmx.it
To: TRS-80 <trs-80@isnotmyreal.name>
Cc: Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com>, Kyle Meyer <kyle@kyleam.com>,
	Emacs-orgmode
	<emacs-orgmode-bounces+orgmode.trs-80=isnotmyreal.name@gnu.org>,
	Org-Mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 05:16:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-a9211256-e67f-487c-935c-2d5c48606b34-1607660195412@3c-app-mailcom-bs06> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7330ab95c71d5d41d7fa6faffeaf300f@isnotmyreal.name>

> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 4:59 AM
> From: "TRS-80" <trs-80@isnotmyreal.name>
> To: daniela-spit@gmx.it
> Cc: "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@kyleam.com>, "Tom Gillespie" <tgbugs@gmail.com>, "Org-Mode mailing list" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, "Emacs-orgmode" <emacs-orgmode-bounces+orgmode.trs-80=isnotmyreal.name@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options
>
> On 2020-11-29 17:08, daniela-spit@gmx.it wrote:
> >
> > Yes, there are problems with the documentation.  I noticed recently
> > that
> > some guy criticised the manual, and so many got super defensive.  You
> > should
> > give him a medal for telling you how things are.
>
> I guess in my mind, complaining about the manual, to a bunch of
> volunteers and fellow users, is probably on the pretty unhelpful end of
> the scale.
>
> Making constructive criticism is then slightly better, at least you are
> not deriding (mostly volunteer) people's work and effort.  Although not
> by much, as this still does not require too much effort.
>
> However submitting a patch with an improvement to the documentation is
> quite valuable.  Pretty much on the opposite end of the scale in fact.
> And thus, only this level of contribution "deserves a medal" as far as I
> am concerned.
>
> I was not privy to particulars of conversation you mention, although I
> have seen this sort of entitled attitude often enough in F/LOSS to have
> somewhat of an idea of how it might have played out.
>
> Entitled users becoming demanding of things they expect (for free, no
> less) is not just a drag, it's the cancer that slowly kills F/LOSS
> projects.  As eventually actually valuable contributors (maintainers,
> devs, etc.) have had enough of it, get burnt out and leave the project.
> I have seen it far too many times over the years.

You work on it and get a lot of praise but have almost no tolerance for
negative feedback.  When you get project maintainers complaining about your
attitude "Don't complain, I'm only volunteer. Bye Bye", something is screwed
up.  And now you want to start this all over again.  Bye Bye.


> So I imagine what you witnessed was a sort of natural defense mechanism,
> protecting the overall health of the community and project by having a
> strong reaction to such negative attitudes.
>
> Cheers,
> TRS-80
>


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-11  4:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-29 18:52 Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options daniela-spit
2020-11-29 20:07 ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-29 20:19   ` daniela-spit
2020-11-29 21:01     ` Tom Gillespie
2020-11-29 21:02     ` Kyle Meyer
2020-11-29 22:08       ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11  3:59         ` TRS-80
2020-12-11  4:16           ` daniela-spit [this message]
2020-12-11  4:32           ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11  8:25             ` tomas
2020-12-11 13:47               ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11 13:59                 ` Detlef Steuer
2020-12-11 14:18                   ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11 14:23                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-11 14:26                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-11 14:47                   ` daniela-spit
2020-12-12  2:35                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-12  2:41                     ` daniela-spit
2020-12-13  5:19                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13  5:51                         ` daniela-spit
2020-12-13 13:19                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 17:49                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-13 20:28                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13  3:33                     ` TRS-80
2020-12-13  8:46                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13  9:28                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-13 17:31                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-13 17:57                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-13 17:59                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-14 12:49                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-14 19:39                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-11 14:43                 ` tomas
2020-12-11 14:54                   ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11 15:46                     ` tomas
2020-12-11 15:58                       ` daniela-spit
2020-12-11  6:25           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-29 20:15 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-29 20:46   ` daniela-spit
2020-11-29 20:58     ` Jean Louis

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