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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1649178543; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=GLsRPmUXtkZs3E6/Np1GkKXOdMf5gNd8QtKuZN+2/xs=; b=Pegqqwl0dyblh/M0QAoCqvg7/jCraQudidvTVgm+wwOPAI2uI6JcoHGfUCRZL1bTYrGoNU 2zIl44L44UNCUXkJhwwgFhaTPZ5U6bCcrPc5qmqALpSylB+7/VJe4aYMcYXSbjJbA+rZpp +f6mvZFPCPMD7jFHIZh+mMGV2Eh8bBISyIjZE+uBf481B0wuv6aqLgmSTc1qrVhiww/xuY bWRVKJNFWgDxyOgXDAnlB8pwCSDojwnix3xs1vD+OEjZ35jXJlf5horJURLj4Z7PPrAMew 1KYwqmTQiIIUweiofQjdBv/ii2LlzwekrmNH26Iy44thlVuiVRq1sOuujbOykg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1649178543; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mm0NT9Zdm9G5wDyR6dS2wk/RZQg/p7TvSHT14Yd+kPvfs0qN8dgitlFyCInPn65gx1vj/P 0KqGu0qTYVP8ZDl41zeWrC6wNzUVATHkxdl6jf/Ny0ew7p+qC50Z4qX79Mpo8QW5lZVTfV qVQ+cVDqdI7I4fJ51zez6Oftd2j9OzH3q8nyXPS3zyxIq0+Mpr8JDhhVCKr9mSvjaTafvh w4s3glk/mp96AMltqpS51WpToqR3M02XzF+z1dyv9fjHutQThpEfV0HGio5HDDwFoWjXUH veF7vGdtOqlT616g+uSZpyFqpOuQP0I0/ifacw3chxzrcVUpFnVHgTp4UHdI9A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7D11E13287 X-Spam-Score: 2.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: spm4Xe8B0FTu On 05/04/2022 13:14, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Karl Fogel writes: > >>>> From: Ihor Radchenko >>>> Subject: Re: Removing obsolete function >>>> `org-truely-invisible-p'. >>>> To: Karl Fogel >>>> Cc: Org Mode >>>> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:14:32 +0800 >>>> Message-ID: <87h7b5rm6f.fsf@localhost> >>> >>> I usually just leave an ML link in such cases: >>> https://orgmode.org/list/87h7b5rm6f.fsf@localhost >> >> As long as the ML link contains the Message-ID, as appears to be >> the case here, yeah. Mailing list archives can move, which causes >> links to suddenly stop working. But if the Message-ID is in the >> link, then (with a little extra work) one can always find the >> message in the new archive. >> >> (The reason I typically include more is to make things as easy as >> possible for those who are searching in a local archive using >> their regular mailreader. But I can switch to the above way if >> you'd prefer.) > > FYI, I do not know an easy way to search mailing list archives by > Message-ID. Message-ID itself does not even provide information which > mailing list it is referring to (maybe it is e.g. Emacs devel). > That's why I prefer links - they can often be found using archive.org if > nothing. > > On the other hand, extra information would not heart. In addition to > link. A link to a message in the local storage of a regular mail reader should have mid: scheme, e.g. mid:87h7b5rm6f.fsf@localhost https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2392 RFC 2392 - Content-ID and Message-ID Uniform Resource Locators Unfortunately the only way to specify mail list is the text around the link. Mail-archive promises Message-ID resolver https://mid.mail-archive.com/... but it does not work for emacs-orgmode. Gmane has the org mail list archive and allows access using Message-ID from an arbitrary mail list: w3m -m 'nntp://news.gmane.io/87h7b5rm6f.fsf@localhost' However I consider https://list.orgmode.org/MID links as more friendly for users unaware of possible ways to obtain some message using its Message-ID.