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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1648223682; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Qtb3I82sQazy790wPoj7XbXusoc1N12+8mM4yoew/qU=; b=aq+7muqER35QNnPSVxwr36XMTG7hvM7fS5rPg27x0sZLN6T5jnJ1rhdcnIMmTmGl0oFj9x xWqVAqgfOV4BS1WVnQupcHhN2r2iuMXbDFo5v6UU6CO2ugoIe510OJdEWUrRjWLCUKbXZl /Eh3sDl7cqq9ZRR31tHUxJERwSnbvVHq6fJxdDAWzufMuFd9TFivHj9GWjgacTMZEAtUrP bwnvqBcnvnSonklayFmh7XPK+JXrq8W5cYG3+NhVhm5atIUbKiIbSYBBv/Nw1BSV4667Vk a/2ajfg8dRYN2EmZXzHyXHBmBboKzz86wSrtAafgdHE55tK0LJII/SkyYCcVtg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1648223682; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=cgXgpKxLY+Ly1D/JIvzszJxFDIrn8AhVv6JlQCdYQXoZnaAbiBiH1nktP61lg7dXP+HzqX KBjC5h1VmEv8cj9qX4iR7cEvUvzdytC/8by/WKCumHoyxNHLS7RgR0GUQtKe+daE2nJEty ZM1LFPnedCpZufHVJUyYl4np5TAdWxDw0DOIC3KGO89I4yRZazpaWhZzNLQmzBlPsH8rHr NpMebkJ/z/a69fd68K/bsfNjOgbyUul6S+Xd+ICmJMUMKVlde+sK9N1SXxnL22wAmqsdAb o3UwKtXCBB3tOIUNa9J7pFO4wk7xCiQxhX3dCHFdzx8AgidfmFglxHynjrFChA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7B22F2BF5F X-Spam-Score: 2.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 53Wm1zfle9Xp On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > Vikas Rawal writes: >> >> From the perspective of a user, this was only meant to express a >> sentiment that one finds oneself in a situation of having to choose >> between two good things, and that we have not been able to find a way >> to make both compatible with each other. It was in not meant as a >> disrespect in any way. > > I don't think you have to choose. You can use org-cite for > citations, and org-ref for cross-references. The citation syntax is > orthogonal, you just should not mix them. You can even wire org-ref to > use org-cite-insert like this: > > (setq org-ref-insert-cite-function (lambda () (org-cite-insert nil))) I am glad to read this. John, could you, please, update the README file for https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref to clarify that both packages may be used within the same document while org-ref is used solely for cross-references (I may create a github issue if your prefer)? From my point of view the following phrase may be considered as prohibitive in respect to combining the packages for any purpose: > You can use both org-cite and org-ref (although you should not do > that in the same document as they are independent citation tools). I feel some ambiguity in the starting message in this thread: Vikas Rawal, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 17:38:30 +0530. https://list.orgmode.org/CALtzAB2BHULDOXaamUZFQh2H453Ekb6K7bkOHbU-dHPn98avwg@mail.gmail.com > This obviously creates many problems including that two people using > different citation systems cannot share org files. Accordingly to the org-ref README installed org-ref package does not break org-cite, so people are free to share documents. They just should have both packages configured and should adhere to a chosen package in each document (for *citations*).