Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

[Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>]

On 21/03/2022 22:19, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote:
> 
>> A bit of routine work will alleviate some user issues:
>> - add missed styles
> 
> The initial list of style-command mappings was pretty comprehensive,
> but we left out some of the more obscure biblatex commands because
> unsure if they were needed, or how best to add them (conceptually
> there's a mix of different kinds of commands in biblatex, which are
> hard to fit into a more general style system, for example).
> 
> Since then:
> 
> - people have occasionally asked to add new mappings, and Nicolas has added them
> - he's also added the styles defcustoms for biblatex, so users can do
> this themselves
> 
> In short, I think we're good on this actually.

John Kitchin, this thread, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400. 
https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu:

> I don't know the equivalent of \citenum in CSL.

 From my point of view it may be a reason to add a new style to 
defaults. It is important whether a tool works out of the box. Custom 
variables make a document less portable unless they are specified as 
file-local ones. I think, the goal may be formulated as "John can not 
say the following any more" (at least in respect to citations leaving 
aside cross-references):

> I simply cannot
> compromise on the capability org-ref provides me, or wait for an
> alternative complete solution in org-mode.

On the other hand I do not consider the following argument as a strong one

> I do not like the abstraction away from LaTeX cite commands in org-cite.
> This is an example of a compromise between LaTeX and CSL.

despite I believe that convenience and habits are important. Mapping of 
styles to commands is just a piece of knowledge.

I have no particular opinion if enough efforts should be invested from 
both sides to allow mixing on both citation syntax constructs (org-cite 
and org-ref) in the same document. Bruce, you made a lot for support of 
CSL in org-cite, so I will stressed another direction of feature 
comparison since Bib(La)TeX users should feel themselves first-class 
citizens.

The choice between org-ref and org-cite, when the former can do its job, 
should be matter of taste and personal preferences unrelated to 
technical limitations.