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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1630145985; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=d0jy0r05G6Ts6kGLp62IulwoPXcp17qBJeJQtRtGLs4=; b=aaWvbQKQJLv+VgggwOV57Q2PnpmBcaG+8JivYkkiYIP2AwD/6d+x25H9ZqjVJG3ihXeP5R 2Dwz/yVKZa2GBPjzZvYPmEGjbDy0LKlUDvG3ny+6EDQqQWtzT6fQk9ezDHNbQazINnhv7r 5I7g6qvkXoMSO/vTvz2lb9ewkctMdwtgbsgEafrVZEA0Jh1f7iTtomoFkdqGXn1lMtREQr ge5WVRB5J8ao5oq9p7O8SOZNTZQZkIgQNA1lj3FU+mr2geKBp7qx3GGNoot4vKdwp9ryD4 Ki16ccIxbCUZ45xN4Lx9zUiQoXgcDOBOWO3KQjOY4MR8YXXYyYBCx4hMNMztXg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1630145985; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UHOAY0pZpWbSgTFuTbIiz3Dn7TlFOtbIoQlLe2NzZSeiSGFcHmD7ktHYp8Qe1FpmSUWWWr DODA+D89F1niISfabwLS8XAAfr5SRlvsfqx6QlQzygQZpRd7JtSy46I0lfTTCKeGXGkivU ueYP4fPCizk0jhE0d4kpM2r+8WLFrnC2lQTlqteIBST6OU7pGDP8/ERTMjTtoacWiWztTl A5fGDo0rv96I5Bf+1ZXdHUwiOAhghjU/6O+mbuodzA0sYgDK2imJRucondd+PGR/j88VXo W2TM4bGMzi0wH2W7UG6p687BYGILnZ0ucwUwSXgFQ4KoFVBc4vT5YsWFlHJ/+Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6CCEE15EC0 X-Spam-Score: -0.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2837gC4xZ7YR On 28/08/2021 14:07, Jarmo Hurri wrote: > > I wonder if it is possible to get org table formulas to respect numeric > locale. Even to add some functions to Emacs that respect numeric locales, it is necessary to use e.g. dynamic modules (warning: do not try to change global locale by setlocale(3), almost certainly something in Emacs will be broken, a library that allows local locale objects is strongly preferred). https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Writing-Dynamic-Modules.html > Emacs documentation says that Emacs uses the value of LC_NUMERIC: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/General-Variables.html It is a confusing statement, see: - https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=29645 #29645 Feature Request: Locale aware formatting Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:05:02 UTC - https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-06/msg00327.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2021-06/msg00139.html The state of numeric locales in Emacs is a little worse than just unsupported. Mostly "C" is forced for LC_NUMERIC, so e.g. grouping is not used. However if your locale uses comma "," as decimal separator, you may be confused by calc results: M-x calc RET dg RET 123456 123,456