From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id yIuqOLXts1/5ZAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:35:17 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 4FqLNLXts1+/cAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:35:17 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC4C9402C8 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:51212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf30l-00052m-SG for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:35:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf2zb-0004lM-Q0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:34:05 -0500 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:45256 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf2zW-000594-UY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:34:03 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kf2zU-0007Sl-E5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 16:33:56 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org From: Maxim Nikulin Subject: Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 22:33:49 +0700 Message-ID: References: <2020-11-13T18-23-43@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <874klqew77.fsf@web.de> <20201115122154.50ad1503@linux-h0yu.fritz.box> <87tutq67ka.fsf@gmail.com> <87tutpvppm.fsf@kyleam.com> <871rgtwzrs.fsf@web.de> <87y2j1ahqf.fsf@gmail.com> <87v9e5uw2u.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 In-Reply-To: <87v9e5uw2u.fsf@web.de> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/17 10:33:56 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 28 X-Spam_score: 2.8 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.59 X-TUID: Rab/GN4w2YIT 2020-11-16 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > I would like to agree, because I wish people would also read NEWS for my > projects, but since I use at least 10-20 programs daily which depend on > hundreds of libraries that might change their behavior, that’s > unrealistic. > > I cannot read NEWS entries whenever my distro updates org-mode, > therefore I depend on org-mode not breaking during updates. The problem is partially with absence of convenient interface for reviewing of updates. E.g. apt-listchanges from debian extracts news (major changes) or both news and debian changelog entries from downloaded packages before installing them. Similar GUI from ubuntu is less convenient due to it fetches changes after selecting particular entry causing delays and grouping of packages built from the same source works not well enough. P.S. Maybe I missed that, but it seems org-indent-mode (#+STARTUP: indent) has not mentioned in this long thread. There is a footnote in the manual related to hard indentation: This works, but requires extra effort. Org Indent mode is more convenient for most applications.