Gnus links very slow to open

Gnus links very slow to open

[Leo]

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone who stores Gnus links in org find that opening links
is extremely slow as it calls `gnus' every time. `gnus' is very slow and
is unnecessary in this case. So there is room for improvement.

HTH,
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Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Dan Griswold]

Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if anyone who stores Gnus links in org find that opening links
> is extremely slow as it calls `gnus' every time.

Are you using org-nnml.el? I find that this works quite well. In fact,
without it I would find gnus links unusable, because I use many nnml
folders in Gnus. With org-nnml, a link to your message looks like
this:

[[gnus:nntp%2Bnews.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode#3117][Email from Leo:
Gnus links very slow to open]]

and executing that link from an org file is fast.

Or perhaps you don't have Gnus open most all the time, as I do. If
org-mode has to start gnus because it hasn't been started yet, then
this is hardly a problem with org-mode.

Perhaps a more complete description of your situation is needed.


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Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Leo]

Dear Dan,

Sorry to get back to this email so late.

On 2007-09-08 22:26 +0100, Dan Griswold wrote:
> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wonder if anyone who stores Gnus links in org find that opening links
>> is extremely slow as it calls `gnus' every time.
>
> Are you using org-nnml.el? I find that this works quite well. In fact,
> without it I would find gnus links unusable, because I use many nnml
> folders in Gnus. With org-nnml, a link to your message looks like
> this:
>
> [[gnus:nntp%2Bnews.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode#3117][Email from Leo:
> Gnus links very slow to open]]
>
> and executing that link from an org file is fast.

I am not using org-nnml but the problem is still there.

Upon opening a link, org calls gnus-other-frame which would try to get
new emails first and then switch to the group buffer.

The time it takes is getting new emails. I know many Gnus users can not
stand the speed and single-threadedness of Gnus and have been using 3rd
party application such as fetchmail to retrieve emails. However, it is
completely unnecessary to retrieve new emails when opening Gnus link.

> Or perhaps you don't have Gnus open most all the time, as I do. If
> org-mode has to start gnus because it hasn't been started yet, then
> this is hardly a problem with org-mode.
>
> Perhaps a more complete description of your situation is needed.

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Re: Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Bastien]

Hi Leo,

Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:

> Upon opening a link, org calls gnus-other-frame which would try to get
> new emails first and then switch to the group buffer.

What would be the way to invoke Gnus without it to fetch new mails?

If we find this, then we can put it in the `org-link-frame-setup'
variable.

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Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Nuutti Kotivuori]

Bastien wrote:
> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>> Upon opening a link, org calls gnus-other-frame which would try to get
>> new emails first and then switch to the group buffer.
>
> What would be the way to invoke Gnus without it to fetch new mails?
>
> If we find this, then we can put it in the `org-link-frame-setup'
> variable.

Gnus does not fetch new mails on gnus-other-frame. I think Leo has
customized some gnus hook to automatically fetch mail when gnus starts
- and that is getting carried over to here as well.

-- Naked

Re: Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Bastien]

Nuutti Kotivuori <naked@iki.fi> writes:

> Bastien wrote:
>> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Upon opening a link, org calls gnus-other-frame which would try to get
>>> new emails first and then switch to the group buffer.
>>
>> What would be the way to invoke Gnus without it to fetch new mails?
>>
>> If we find this, then we can put it in the `org-link-frame-setup'
>> variable.
>
> Gnus does not fetch new mails on gnus-other-frame. I think Leo has
> customized some gnus hook to automatically fetch mail when gnus starts
> - and that is getting carried over to here as well.

Leo, maybe `nnml-get-new-mail' being t is the culprit?

-- 
Bastien

Open gnus link without popping up a new frame (was: Gnus links very slow to open)

[Leo]

Hi Folks,

I run Emacs in xterm and popup frames are useless. Thus I would like to
open a gnus link without a new frame. I have the following config:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(setq org-link-frame-setup
      '((vm . vm-visit-folder-other-frame)
        (gnus . gnus)
        (file . find-file-other-window)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

However, every time I try to open a gnus link Gnus also tries to fetch
new emails, making the process very slow.

Any suggestions?

Best,
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Re: Open gnus link without popping up a new frame

[Nuutti Kotivuori]

Leo wrote:
> I run Emacs in xterm and popup frames are useless. Thus I would like to
> open a gnus link without a new frame. I have the following config:

Does gnus-other-frame in an xterm actually do something? Is there a
frame it can pop up?

In any case, perhaps this kind of a function would be what you need:

(defun my-gnus
  (interactive)
  (if (gnus-alive-p)
      (switch-to-buffer gnus-group-buffer)
    (gnus)))

(Completely untested)

-- Naked

Re: Re: Open gnus link without popping up a new frame

[Jason F. McBrayer]

Nuutti Kotivuori <naked@iki.fi> writes:

> Leo wrote:
>> I run Emacs in xterm and popup frames are useless. Thus I would like to
>> open a gnus link without a new frame. I have the following config:
>
> Does gnus-other-frame in an xterm actually do something? Is there a
> frame it can pop up?

Frames on a tty work kind of like 'screen' windows.  They take up the
whole tty, and you can switch between them with C-x 5 o.  I'd assume
gnus-other-frame works normally in this context.

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Re: Open gnus link without popping up a new frame

[Leo]

On 2007-09-26 14:42 +0100, Jason F. McBrayer wrote:
> Nuutti Kotivuori <naked@iki.fi> writes:
>
>> Leo wrote:
>>> I run Emacs in xterm and popup frames are useless. Thus I would like to
>>> open a gnus link without a new frame. I have the following config:
>>
>> Does gnus-other-frame in an xterm actually do something? Is there a
>> frame it can pop up?
>
> Frames on a tty work kind of like 'screen' windows.  They take up the
> whole tty, and you can switch between them with C-x 5 o.  I'd assume
> gnus-other-frame works normally in this context.

That's why it is not usefully. Try to switch between 3 or more frames in
tty, you will see how awkward that is.

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Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Leo]

On 2007-09-25 08:12 +0100, Nuutti Kotivuori wrote:
> Bastien wrote:
>> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Upon opening a link, org calls gnus-other-frame which would try to get
>>> new emails first and then switch to the group buffer.
>>
>> What would be the way to invoke Gnus without it to fetch new mails?
>>
>> If we find this, then we can put it in the `org-link-frame-setup'
>> variable.
>
> Gnus does not fetch new mails on gnus-other-frame. I think Leo has
> customized some gnus hook to automatically fetch mail when gnus starts
> - and that is getting carried over to here as well.
>
> -- Naked

Thank Naked for head up. I just found out I have the following:

(setq org-link-frame-setup
      '((vm . vm-visit-folder-other-frame)
        (gnus . gnus)
        (file . find-file-other-window)))

That's the culprit.

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Re: Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Bastien]

Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:

> Thank Naked for head up. I just found out I have the following:
>
> (setq org-link-frame-setup
>       '((vm . vm-visit-folder-other-frame)
>         (gnus . gnus)
>         (file . find-file-other-window)))
>
> That's the culprit.

And how did you change this so that Gnus won't fetch new mails each time
you try to follow a Gnus link?

-- 
Bastien

Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Leo]

On 2007-09-25 09:10 +0100, Bastien wrote:
> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Thank Naked for head up. I just found out I have the following:
>>
>> (setq org-link-frame-setup
>>       '((vm . vm-visit-folder-other-frame)
>>         (gnus . gnus)
>>         (file . find-file-other-window)))
>>
>> That's the culprit.
>
> And how did you change this so that Gnus won't fetch new mails each time
> you try to follow a Gnus link?

I have found the solution to this yet. Ideas?

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Re: Re: Gnus links very slow to open

[Bastien]

Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2007-09-25 09:10 +0100, Bastien wrote:
>> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Thank Naked for head up. I just found out I have the following:
>>>
>>> (setq org-link-frame-setup
>>>       '((vm . vm-visit-folder-other-frame)
>>>         (gnus . gnus)
>>>         (file . find-file-other-window)))
>>>
>>> That's the culprit.
>>
>> And how did you change this so that Gnus won't fetch new mails each time
>> you try to follow a Gnus link?
>
> I have found the solution to this yet. Ideas?

I thought that "That's the culprit." was synonymous to "I've punished
the culprit." -- sorry. As I said earlier (this thread goes crazy), did
you tried to set `nnml-get-new-mail' to nil ?

-- 
Bastien