From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stefan Nobis Subject: Re: [OT] A short (less than a minute), informal survey about LaTeX Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:54:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87mw34u4ko.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54712) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YZy8I-0002hz-N2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:54:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YZy8E-0005K0-N3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:54:50 -0400 Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([89.238.71.130]:37754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YZy8E-0005Jr-EX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 04:54:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ABE7E53CF for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:54:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from basilikum.nobis-admin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basilikum.nobis-admin.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBJG_8WKBdN4 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:54:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from karotte.fritz.box (f049140141.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.49.140.141]) by basilikum.nobis-admin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:54:39 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87mw34u4ko.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Sun, 22 Mar 2015 22:04:23 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Marcin Borkowski writes: > 1. Did you know about the savetrees package by Scott Pakin Yes. > 2. Would you find it useful when producing PDF files other that > scientific articles (using Org-mode or not)? No. I use org-mode mostly for documentation and even documentation should look nice (the whitespace in a document is there for a reason; IIRC in the documentation of koma-script there is some rationale for the layout). There are many other ways to influence the layout and save whitespace on paper. Personally, I use the koma-script classes and playing with parameters like DIV IMHO give more appealing results. For controlling the body there are also quite some good packages (like enumitem), that allow more fine grained control. With a simple "#+LATEX_HEADER_EXTRA: \usepackage[extreme]{savetrees}" it's very easy to get this special effect. But maybe we should make this easier with a special option like "uglyandcompressed:t" (pun intended)? I'm not against a more compact and cleaned up preamble and maybe a special orgmode package for LaTeX may be a good idea. But fiddling with the layout of a document should never be the default and only be enabled via explicit options, as quite some classes out there do a really good job. BTW: If producing PDF for screenreading is important, we should think about an easy option to switch to A5 with a sane layout. A5 is much better for screenreading than A4 and even 2 pages A5 printed on a single A4 looks quite good and readable. The main benefit: With A5 there is much less whitespace (see documentation of koma-script for an example). Maybe A5 output should be the default setting? -- Until the next mail..., Stefan.