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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620999605; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=+oBTy/J7w86xGqWF0/6ce26X9lUr0aZk0hj/YM0iQf0=; b=uhAr5va4+G/DSQC2HLliDcxFKZlTwe+CBt0k/J3RpHDMIRKba/UuBsHm4aS70W7x1ymA3a kF6roGsM9hAvc+/5GGOC79/xFJv/+XNbh/IE9jAY78+l5zGEDFGVvUC80JCziVT/giVVi7 FD6n6YvIhVWkhaSHsAC2NgTwsNfboCDC6GWBKd4wk/kf24AnRieyzU6Lw10O98BahhwJeC YcPZ7yN8R6EZ41TygvSCteychVWf6gcy1lvMjZt23fMMk24hv+5VyidwQp6ifmiY7dc7cY Oov5PSIqUuJH45mvVLwpx/c1jM9altVExv4oZAFtQ6p50Eav+LGgLvcVt2vI0Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620999605; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Nbh6gjJKxillfYar8ktCWPSobJyhptrtJ4anQEdgiBVyWV1k6je5UlQkw9NuWiJVeG4Ws7 lfkuDSxnYVNmaghQoDIsrJPHfwlwoHE/9rftzQh0DcpVW03+zngPfObvgI79ps8OeFZImd CtCbSSsH2UM/OLUC5ZOW7AwsZuzO0pqRAE8paHBr4PUVceOA6JpzQThS6laMbtuNXdzSjn gbRgyA/yTf6avya1f+rPxSQozKsCnAnsLKWrUGE7Ela/NtE9OPvJB3h6JsVqBZM8PAgCgE R2Dgw1qE+9amGkxp4XA2uUMCgjl5SUVEkZRsnXE4kZvAKb3xl6S9kFfu2MDgTQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=EXdNz09S; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Sv2uBbSd; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=EXdNz09S; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Sv2uBbSd; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7272528B63 X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: vjI0GI25pVAj Hi, > (strict inside before) corresponds to French typography. > Regarding French typography. With this example: --------------------------------------------------- #+language: fr #+cite_export: test "This is a complete sentence."[cite:@key] "This is an incomplete sentence" [cite:@key]. "This is an incomplete sentence". [cite:@key] This is a complete sentence. [cite:@key] This is an incomplete sentence [cite:@key]. ---------------------------------------------------- I'm getting: ---------------------------------------------------- "This is a complete sentence[1]." "This is an incomplete sentence[2]" . "This is an incomplete sentence"[3]. This is a complete sentence[4]. This is an incomplete sentence[5]. ---------------------------------------------------- 1, 3, 4, 5 look ok. 2 is a bit odd. - there's the spurios space before the period. - I think in that case the footnote mark should be just before the period, i.e. after the quotation mark. Basically like example 3. I think the textbook rule regarding French typography is: Place the footnote mark just before the final punctuation. Punctuation is placed inside quotation marks if we have a full quotation, otherwise outside. (OTOH, that seems to be a textbook rule. As I've said, I haven't seen that in real books.) I don't know if that is feasible with the current parameters. Denis