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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1672305926; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=4duYPwfie4fW/R8csu1c02ohHMMH8QhPnkLoKU4G9Ng=; b=u5mjvmaaoCABOZULquV16E7rWgoUClgprvq1wFsf1eYapdste6yOK6ELnYM3zkiWYKQ7TZ KTdcb/eJ9yvQmSnNvEtk7WBGBO9TalBF5Ybn/mqYtR+EhQFJxsBe0cLJbB5fYWOmWjhS6i /iCpS5X91GckQVeXdXFzxlQp01voi/cibUZtsNUYrPoOSk/UHXagL+mFf4/gkY23k0bggv 4peaFaZD2TnbNmnyxeH6iZRrINEgvdq8OFB8XcZPcxv7K/5kvMJq/nUKDqS+rowdDc7CGU qsoDw0TFGpjWirnLu9vsUNc+xhTdEAMx4LdzLxZ1CMHhgqn8q5ecH7H51IZeHQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b=GsIWVreI; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1672305926; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LnuwkXKyf5IQtawRFb2p2leZqvFUiQceyE0ogm9AMswnBIdp6UhyK6CP4O8A/FbmsivvZc TP3tsRI3597QZkViUMPJTJCv8G3BX2efWfZvQSIsH1iJuM7F9uAXCZc1T7D+fHlPAdiwaP AcVc8RRAjWFNVUhOquoCFieYPx9Ze7Xsdxf/2MJDq10zRAn+xYa4aeUNh8Fvf5ziIyvxO2 Xb90nccywT07v/lYo8MVmCvAr86OTz4rF9H8Y+EcVgYM0DRQt/nhaUh2qEdbNWXPPu0ArY qXm3wu5nwppq8MsKczsGjCzZnbqw3TEoJjN38I+1Sj0Z1w9U/cbjH0lLXm/Q7g== X-Spam-Score: -4.64 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1A7ECC92F Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.at header.s=s31663417 header.b=GsIWVreI; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmx.at X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.64 X-TUID: 7rg/jTXYX/rN tomas@tuxteam.de wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 29.12.2022 09:57: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 05:01:33PM +1100, Tim Cross wrote: >> >> writes: >> >>> As far as I am concerned, I don't think the feature is important >>> enough to complexify Org, but (a) I see that there are people who >>> really want it (and offer myself as sparring partner to bounce ideas >>> off) and (b) Org is chock full of features I'd rather not have, >>> but others need badly. Software is like that :-) >>> >> >> I agree. While I can understand it is a feature some users may want, it >> certainly isn't one I'm interested in and I continue to be very >> concerned about the feature growth and increase in complexity I see wit= h >> org. I fear we are losing one of the best features of org - simplicity >> and easy customization for individual needs. > > Agreed, so far. > >> I find the straight-forward >> nature of a tree structure much simpler to work with than one which wil= l >> be less tree like and more directed graph like. > > Strongly disagree. > > Both are trees (that's why I prefer to talk about "document model". > It's only so that in Org, only the first child of a section node > can be text, the following must be subsections. In "XML" you just > can intermix subsections and text (actually: any kind of subnodes). > Agreed. I think that "allow certain nodes to only have one text element at the very beginning" is an arbitrary choice. Inconvenient, but logically cleaner would be to allow for text either only in leaves, or in any place of the nodes. The latter appears more natural to me, as it would allow for connecting words between sub sections and closing remarks at the end of a section. Usually, one would circumvent the problem by inserting a connecting text at the end of subsections, although this would offend the hierarchy. best regards, Heinz