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Subject: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=b18ce34a60d54e0982e24b796c82e788 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.21; envelope-from=emacs-orgmode@gagbo.net; helo=wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_QUOTING=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.49 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gagbo.net header.s=fm2 header.b=pvj+K/mn; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=l+aL5XtR; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CCAB39404C8 X-Spam-Score: -1.49 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: ERG/6YDv+NX1 --b18ce34a60d54e0982e24b796c82e788 Content-Type: text/plain On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, at 21:23, Jean Louis wrote: > * TEC [2020-12-13 20:35]: > > > From a perspective that some server has to know what user is writing > > > it is advisable to use one own's servers. But if idea gets popular > > > some company will commercialize it and centralize user's data and > > > privacy is gone. > > > > FYI the nature of LSP (as I understand it) is that the "server" is a > > locally running service that responds to signals from a "client" (code > > editor / IDE). > > That is how it starts until corporation like Github or somebody else > takes it over. Just look at Github pattern. Git was decentralized > system that they centralized for 50 million developers and included > eye candies that one cannot self-host as one wants. > Hello, The "server" in Language Server Protocol is a program that answers to LSP requests that's all. It could just be a program written in a FOSS licence (like Palantir pyls https://github.com/palantir/python-language-server ) that needs to read the files on your computer in order to answer requests. Data (i.e your org files on your filesystem) does not need to be centralized for it to work. Git was eventually ""centralized"" by github because version control systems and software forges are based on sharing the data between multiple users, so someone can (and will) offer the tradeoff to make the sharing easier at the cost of privacy/freedom etc. LSP servers are just file indexers that implement a common protocol to make writing integrations easier. They are called servers because they are long running process listening to messages, but really everything could (and most of the time do) run offline, with file watches over your "project" and sockets for I/O with clients that run locally Gerry Agbobada --b18ce34a60d54e0982e24b796c82e788 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Dec 13,= 2020, at 21:23, Jean Louis wrote:
* TEC <= tecosaur@gmail.com> [2020-12-13 20:35]:
> > F= rom a perspective that some server has to know what user is writing
<= /div>
> > it is advisable to use one own's servers. But if ide= a gets popular
> > some company will commercialize i= t and centralize user's data and
> > privacy is gone= .
> 
> FYI the nature of LSP (as = I understand it) is that the "server" is a
> locally ru= nning service that responds to signals from a "client" (code
> editor / IDE).

That is how it start= s until corporation like Github or somebody else
takes it = over. Just look at Github pattern. Git was decentralized
s= ystem that they centralized for 50 million developers and included
eye candies that one cannot self-host as one wants.


Hello,

The "server= " in Language Server Protocol is a program that answers to LSP requests = that's all. It could just be a program written in a FOSS licence (like P= alantir pyls
https://github.com/palantir/python-language-server ) that needs to read the files on your computer in order to answer req= uests. Data (i.e your org files on your filesystem) does not need to be = centralized for it to work.

Git was eventually ""centralized"" by= github because version control systems and software forges are based on= sharing the data between multiple users, so someone can (and will) offe= r the tradeoff to make the sharing easier at the cost of privacy/freedom= etc.

LSP servers are just file indexers that implement a common = protocol to make writing integrations easier. They are called servers be= cause they are long running process listening to messages, but really ev= erything could (and most of the time do) run offline, with file watches = over your "project" and sockets for I/O with clients that run locally

Gerry Agbobada

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