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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 38308e7fff4ca-2e4d0bbd6besm20654841fa.3.2024.05.15.04.48.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 May 2024 04:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 18:48:41 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] oc-csl: New custom option `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles' References: Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU From: Max Nikulin To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::236; envelope-from=manikulin@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x236.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: 2.64 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1BC5C6C9AD X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.64 X-TUID: bDMT6M6XRFD/ On 11/05/2024 22:33, András Simonyi wrote: > since bibtex and biblatex requires title fields to be in title case > but CSL assumes that they are in sentence-case, citeproc-el converts > title fields in bib(la)tex bibliography databases into sentence-case > before processing them except for entries with an explicit non-English > langid value. I am not a user of citeproc-el, so feel free to disregard my comments. In the past I had to adjust BibTeX styles, but yesterday I was surprised that there are options for upper case, lower case, and sentence-style capitalization, but not for title-style capitalization. It seems that both approaches with title case and with sentence case have some shortcomings. Likely title case like in BibTeX requires more explicit hints and perhaps there are cases when available hints are not enough to get specific formatting. I still expect that CSL needs hints as well to avoid improper formatting. Is it possible to keep title formatting from .bib files till it becomes known that specific style requires sentence case for particular entry type? I had a hope that it might alleviate the issue and to make things working out of the box for more users. > I'm a bit unsure about naming the option: > Perhaps `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles-without-langid' A variant: org-cite-csl-bibtex-title-to-sentence-case > @@ -584,7 +599,8 @@ property in INFO." > (processor > (citeproc-create > (org-cite-csl--style-file info) > - (citeproc-hash-itemgetter-from-any bibliography) > + (citeproc-hash-itemgetter-from-any > + bibliography (not org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles)) > (org-cite-csl--locale-getter) > locale))) > (plist-put info :cite-citeproc-processor processor) I am not in the context, so I may be completely wrong. Does it means that you added one more argument to `citeproc-create' and that consistent Org and citeproc-el versions must be used? If so, wouldn't it better to pass a property list to allow newer Org to work with older citeproc-el or vice versa? It may be tricky to preserve backward-forward compatibility on this step, but it should make further changes easier. It may be reasonable to explicitly add version of "protocol" to the property list, so that citeproc-el may decide if error should be signaled in the case of serious version difference. It is not clear for me why `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles' is a part of Org, not of citeproc-el. The only thing that Org can do is to pass it to citeproc-el. It is not configurable per .org file and likely it should not be. From my point of view it might be more suitable per .bib file. Anyway it is almost unrelated to Org.