From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Baoqiu Cui Subject: Re: DocBook exporter for Org-mode Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:31:39 -0800 Message-ID: References: <18860.14549.718412.149720@muchbodyking-lm.gateway.2wire.net> <878wnmy3g8.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <87wsb6wmz9.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <87d4cywawk.fsf@kassiopeya.MSHEIMNETZ> <873adt936f.fsf@gaura-nitai.no-ip.org> <87eixdmdhi.fsf@nitai.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Levsq-0007WE-28 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:31:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Levsn-0007U9-32 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:31:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39585 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Levsm-0007Tz-SG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:31:52 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:36725 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Levsm-0001Di-FA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:31:52 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Levsj-00036h-Eg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:31:49 +0000 Received: from nat-dip4.cfw-a-gci.corp.yahoo.com ([209.131.62.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:31:49 +0000 Received: from cbaoqiu by nat-dip4.cfw-a-gci.corp.yahoo.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:31:49 +0000 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Gour, Gour writes: >>>>>> "Baoqiu" == Baoqiu Cui writes: > > Baoqiu> It is true that many open-source tools around DocBook are still > Baoqiu> not perfect, but they should be good enough for most of the work > Baoqiu> of most users. Some commercial tools exist and are better, but > Baoqiu> they are not free. (I have not used reST, however it does not > Baoqiu> seem to me that it has more tools than DocBook.) > > Well, frankly speaking, I consider that XML simply sucks as authoring > format. I was playing with FOP several years ago and I'd never replace > it with TeX typesetting. I knew it must be FOP that you did not like. ;-) I had similar experience using FOP, and I (and all other team members) had to find workarounds when hitting problems in FOP (like formatting footnotes in lists or tables). Don't know if you have tried XEP from RenderX. I have not found any problems in XEP. I don't think it's bad to use XML as authoring format, even though I think TeX would still be the ultimate typesetting tool. > Baoqiu> I just checked reST markup specifications, and they do look > Baoqiu> powerful (but not very lightweight). > > Well, reST is, imho, (similar to markdown), much more readable than XML > with all those brackets. Many people who don't like LaTeX can say similar things about LaTeX. ;-) The main problem with all these lightweight markup languages is that there is a limitation on their expressing power. They are perfect tools for quickly publishing blogs, wikis, simple web sites, documentation of source code, etc., but will quickly hit their limit when they are used for more serious publishing. > Baoqiu> Maybe it *is* time to have a standard to unify all these > Baoqiu> plain-text based lightweight markup languages: Muse, Org, reST, > Baoqiu> asciidoc, all kinds of *wiki*, doxygen styles, etc. > > Maybe Creole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_(markup) )? Thanks for the link! Haven't heard about it. > Baoqiu> That may require some code sharing/merging between rst.el and > Baoqiu> Org-mode, I guess. :-) > > Heh, I'm curious to know more about it. ;) I don't know much about rst.el, and am still new to Org-mode, so cannot say much on this. :-) Thanks, Baoqiu