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Am 25.02.2022 13:25 schrieb Russell Adams: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 11:29:38AM +0000, c.buhtz@posteo.jp wrote: >> This site does not make clear how to submit bug reports. It even does >> not make clear that the "way" is unusual (not web-based bug-trackers >> like bugreport or github). It simply says "Submit a bug report" but >> does >> not how. I think the important point and information for the users is >> that "Bug reports are done via E-Mail" to the mailinglist with >> manipulating the headers or using Emacs itself. > > Where would this belong? On the main Org page? On Worg? It's > documented under "feedback" in the manual. > > All Emacs bug reports are to mailing lists. That is the usual. > > On the main org-mode site the first major point under "Contribute" is > how to submit a bug report. I was looking here: https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html Especially the section "Ways to contribute" -> "Ways that do not involve programming" -> "Send bug reports" There is not described _how_ to do this. That is the point. The first sentence links to how to produce "usefull feedback". Yes your are right to say, that behind that link is the M-x org-submit-bug-report described. But org-submit-bug-report is about a bug-report and not about feedback. Feedback is not a bug-report. Maybe it is the simplest to write "Submit bugs to the mailing list." And maybe give some more details about the manipulated header and if I have to subscribe to the list first to submit a bugreport. What I meant with "unusual" is that in the broader context of FOSS it is unusual to do bug reports via M-x ... By the way I wasn't aware that Emacs itself implements this way, too. >> It is unclear where the repositories for the source code and the code >> of >> the website are. If I had found them I would have created a PR/patch >> for >> 2. > > Which site? > > https://orgmode.org/ is administered by Org maintainers. I'm not sure > where that repo is, and it's not publicly writable. From my point of view this is unusual to. But this just should made clear to the users. I wasted time searching the repo. Just write "The repo is not publicly available". ;) Because orgmode is FOSS everyone (new to it) would expect a source repo. Kind Christian