Bug with org-startup-folded?

Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Hi,

I like to have newly opened org-mode files in overview (folded) mode. 
With org-startup-folded set to t, this seems to only work partially. 
That is, when I firstly open an file, say xyz.org file, the file is 
unfolded. But if I kill the buffer, and open the same file again, it 
will be folded. At first I thought this is because the interference from 
the "session" package. But I removed that package and nothing changed. I 
am using the latest (5.15) org-mode.

Thanks if someone can look into this.

Wanrong

Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Just an update on the problem:

I found that if I add the per-file option like this, the "overview" mode 
is always on when I visit an org file, whether it is the first time or not.
#+STARTUP: fold

But the global option does not work fully as I described before.

Wanrong

Wanrong Lin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I like to have newly opened org-mode files in overview (folded) mode. 
> With org-startup-folded set to t, this seems to only work partially. 
> That is, when I firstly open an file, say xyz.org file, the file is 
> unfolded. But if I kill the buffer, and open the same file again, it 
> will be folded. At first I thought this is because the interference 
> from the "session" package. But I removed that package and nothing 
> changed. I am using the latest (5.15) org-mode.
>
> Thanks if someone can look into this.
>
> Wanrong
>

Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Update on my own investigation/confusion on this problem:

I have two lines like this in my org mode configuration
(setq org-agenda-file-regexp "\\.org\\'")
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist `(,org-agenda-file-regexp . org-mode))

By inserting some "message" statements (that is how far I can go on 
debugging elisp code)  in org-mode function, I found that when I visit a 
".org" file for the fist time, "org-mode" function is not called at all! 
But the file does open as an normal org-mode file (with "Org" appearing 
in the mode-line), except the text is not folded. If I kill the buffer 
and open the fine again, "org-mode" function is invoked and hence text 
is folded.

I can certainly work around this problem by forcing org-mode to be 
called every time I open an org file. But can somebody help me out here? 
Why org-mode is not called at all when the file is opened for the first 
time? Who is keeping track whether the file is opened the first time or 
not? Thanks a lot.

Wanrong

Wanrong Lin wrote:
> Just an update on the problem:
>
> I found that if I add the per-file option like this, the "overview" 
> mode is always on when I visit an org file, whether it is the first 
> time or not.
> #+STARTUP: fold
>
> But the global option does not work fully as I described before.
>
> Wanrong
>
> Wanrong Lin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I like to have newly opened org-mode files in overview (folded) mode. 
>> With org-startup-folded set to t, this seems to only work partially. 
>> That is, when I firstly open an file, say xyz.org file, the file is 
>> unfolded. But if I kill the buffer, and open the same file again, it 
>> will be folded. At first I thought this is because the interference 
>> from the "session" package. But I removed that package and nothing 
>> changed. I am using the latest (5.15) org-mode.
>>
>> Thanks if someone can look into this.
>>
>> Wanrong
>>
>
>

Re: Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Bastien]

Wanrong Lin <wanrong.lin@gmail.com> writes:

> (setq org-agenda-file-regexp "\\.org\\'")
> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist `(,org-agenda-file-regexp . org-mode))

This is weird.  Why don't you simply use this:

  (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist ("\\.org\\'" . org-mode))

> By inserting some "message" statements (that is how far I can go on
> debugging elisp code)  in org-mode function, I found that when I visit a
> ".org" file for the fist time, "org-mode" function is not called at all!
> But the file does open as an normal org-mode file (with "Org" appearing
> in the mode-line), except the text is not folded. 

This looks also weird.  I think your configuration is somehow broken.
Does this happen with every .org file?  You should check the consistence
of the global variables `org-startup-options' `org-startup-folded' *and*
of local options in your Org file.

-- 
Bastien

Re: Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Bastien wrote:
> Wanrong Lin <wanrong.lin@gmail.com> writes:
>
>   
>> (setq org-agenda-file-regexp "\\.org\\'")
>> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist `(,org-agenda-file-regexp . org-mode))
>>     
>
> This is weird.  Why don't you simply use this:
>
>   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist ("\\.org\\'" . org-mode))
>
>   
I did my way because I want to set org-agenda-file-regexp and 
consistently use it any place the regexp is needed.
>> By inserting some "message" statements (that is how far I can go on
>> debugging elisp code)  in org-mode function, I found that when I visit a
>> ".org" file for the fist time, "org-mode" function is not called at all!
>> But the file does open as an normal org-mode file (with "Org" appearing
>> in the mode-line), except the text is not folded. 
>>     
>
> This looks also weird.  I think your configuration is somehow broken.
> Does this happen with every .org file?  You should check the consistence
> of the global variables `org-startup-options' `org-startup-folded' *and*
> of local options in your Org file.
>   
Yes, this happens with every .org file. My org files have no local 
options at all, and all those variables you mentioned seem OK to me. The 
most puzzling thing, as I said before, is if you open a file the second 
time, the folding works, but not on the same file when opened the first 
time. Why would first time/second time make a difference on how org-mode 
behaves? Who is tracking whether the file is opened the first time or 
not? Scratching my head hard...

Wanrong

Re: Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Hi, Carsten,

After some more trials, I think I found the cause of the problem. I have 
a line like this in my org configuration:

;; add today's appointment into alert list, every day at 0:30AM
(run-at-time "0:30am" (* 24 3600) 'org-agenda-to-appt)

I expect with the above, org-agenda-to-appt will run once a day 
automatically at 0:30AM. But, it seems that org-agenda-to-appt runs 
right after emacs start up, and this command opens a buffer for every 
org files in my org-agenda-files, without any folding. So, when I 
thought I was opening an org file for the first time, actually emacs 
just switches to the existing buffer for that file, and gives an 
illusion that the first time the folding does not work, but the second 
time the folding works.

Thank you for you and Bastien for your help on this.

Wanrong

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Hi Wanrong,
>
> unfortunately I am not able to reproduce what you describe,
> so my suspicion is that it is still something in you setup.
> I recommend that you try things with an absolutely minimum
> setup, and with emacs -Q....
>
> -- Carsten
>
> On 11/30/07, Wanrong Lin <wrglin@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Bastien wrote:
>>     
>>> Wanrong Lin <wanrong.lin@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> (setq org-agenda-file-regexp "\\.org\\'")
>>>> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist `(,org-agenda-file-regexp . org-mode))
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> This is weird.  Why don't you simply use this:
>>>
>>>   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist ("\\.org\\'" . org-mode))
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I did my way because I want to set org-agenda-file-regexp and
>> consistently use it any place the regexp is needed.
>>     
>>>> By inserting some "message" statements (that is how far I can go on
>>>> debugging elisp code)  in org-mode function, I found that when I visit a
>>>> ".org" file for the fist time, "org-mode" function is not called at all!
>>>> But the file does open as an normal org-mode file (with "Org" appearing
>>>> in the mode-line), except the text is not folded.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> This looks also weird.  I think your configuration is somehow broken.
>>> Does this happen with every .org file?  You should check the consistence
>>> of the global variables `org-startup-options' `org-startup-folded' *and*
>>> of local options in your Org file.
>>>
>>>       
>> Yes, this happens with every .org file. My org files have no local
>> options at all, and all those variables you mentioned seem OK to me. The
>> most puzzling thing, as I said before, is if you open a file the second
>> time, the folding works, but not on the same file when opened the first
>> time. Why would first time/second time make a difference on how org-mode
>> behaves? Who is tracking whether the file is opened the first time or
>> not? Scratching my head hard...
>>
>> Wanrong
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Wanrong Lin]

Hi, Carsten,

Following my last email, I wonder whether you can consider doing one of 
these two things in org-mode:

1. org-agenda-to-appt does not explicitly open a buffer for every 
org-file in the org-agenda-files, or
2. org-agenda-to-appt will honor the global org-startup-folded option. 
It seems the buffers opened by org-agenda-to-appt does honor the folding 
settings in the "#STARTUP" per file option. So I think it is natural and 
consistent for org-agenda-to-appt to honor the global options too when 
opening org-mode files.

Thank you for giving it a thought.

Wanrong

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Hi Wanrong,
>
> unfortunately I am not able to reproduce what you describe,
> so my suspicion is that it is still something in you setup.
> I recommend that you try things with an absolutely minimum
> setup, and with emacs -Q....
>
> -- Carsten
>
> On 11/30/07, Wanrong Lin <wrglin@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Bastien wrote:
>>     
>>> Wanrong Lin <wanrong.lin@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> (setq org-agenda-file-regexp "\\.org\\'")
>>>> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist `(,org-agenda-file-regexp . org-mode))
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> This is weird.  Why don't you simply use this:
>>>
>>>   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist ("\\.org\\'" . org-mode))
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I did my way because I want to set org-agenda-file-regexp and
>> consistently use it any place the regexp is needed.
>>     
>>>> By inserting some "message" statements (that is how far I can go on
>>>> debugging elisp code)  in org-mode function, I found that when I visit a
>>>> ".org" file for the fist time, "org-mode" function is not called at all!
>>>> But the file does open as an normal org-mode file (with "Org" appearing
>>>> in the mode-line), except the text is not folded.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> This looks also weird.  I think your configuration is somehow broken.
>>> Does this happen with every .org file?  You should check the consistence
>>> of the global variables `org-startup-options' `org-startup-folded' *and*
>>> of local options in your Org file.
>>>
>>>       
>> Yes, this happens with every .org file. My org files have no local
>> options at all, and all those variables you mentioned seem OK to me. The
>> most puzzling thing, as I said before, is if you open a file the second
>> time, the folding works, but not on the same file when opened the first
>> time. Why would first time/second time make a difference on how org-mode
>> behaves? Who is tracking whether the file is opened the first time or
>> not? Scratching my head hard...
>>
>> Wanrong
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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>>
>>     

Re: Re: Bug with org-startup-folded?

[Carsten Dominik]

On 12/1/07, Wanrong Lin <wrglin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Carsten,
>
> Following my last email, I wonder whether you can consider doing one of
> these two things in org-mode:
>
> 1. org-agenda-to-appt does not explicitly open a buffer for every
> org-file in the org-agenda-files, or
> 2. org-agenda-to-appt will honor the global org-startup-folded option.
> It seems the buffers opened by org-agenda-to-appt does honor the folding
> settings in the "#STARTUP" per file option. So I think it is natural and
> consistent for org-agenda-to-appt to honor the global options too when
> opening org-mode files.
>
> Thank you for giving it a thought.

Thanks for your correct analysis, and sorry that this misbehavior has
cost you a lot of time.  org-agenda-to-appt calls
org-agenda-get-day-entries, and this function indeed loads the
buffers with folding turned of.  I wrote this function long ago, so I am
not sure exactly why that is.  I will follow up and fix this problem
in the next release.  Thanks for being persistant in tracking this down.

- Carsten