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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.30 X-Spam-Score: -3.30 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ECDF55B1E7 X-TUID: jOy6Oticyl7k --fkMtBainZkqhf0gC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 02:36:31PM +0200, Bastien Guerry wrote: > Ihor Radchenko writes: >=20 > > ** Section X > > > > > > > > > > <...> > > > > <...> > > > > <...> > > > > *** TODO Task for paragraph N > > > > Then, if I jump to the TODO, for example, from agenda view, I still need > > to somehow find location, which is awkward when the > > section has multiple screens of text. >=20 > And what about this? >=20 > ** Section X > =20 > > =20 > > <...> > =20 > *** TODO Task for paragraph N > =20 > > <...> > > <...> Ah... it would be nice if Org could "go up one level", wouldn't it? ;-) Cheers --=20 t --fkMtBainZkqhf0gC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZOdZ4QAKCRAFyCz1etHa RmawAJ9fn60o5yxPmDgt2UPbI2RQuzkJZgCdFfzh6IphkstF/P0eRLC7lrwrVAI= =mHC/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fkMtBainZkqhf0gC--