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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.26 X-Spam-Score: -4.26 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9249C4CF7F X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: uIAxRyszOvG+ On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 03:10:59PM +0100, Timothy wrote: > They are a syntactic abomination. > > If there is any chance of making inlinetasks an extra that is > outside core Org/the Org spec, I think that would be for the > best. Having a 15+ level headlines sometimes transform into a > completely different syntactic element is ... really not nice. I've never used inline for exactly this reason, 15x*'s seems like trying to use an overflow to hide data. Couldn't we use something like headings using ++'s instead of **'s as folded by default? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com https://www.adamsinfoserv.com/