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I know I myself tried for years to move to it and was only > > > able to after learning vim bindings pretty well, and starting to use > > > Spacemacs. Forcing students to use emacs, much less org - especially in > > > this day and age where students *will* ask online, and *will* get a > > > response of "no one actually uses that" - will probably meet with a ton of > > > resistance. > > We ran it on the International Space Station. If that is the response of students, > then they are lame bro, My child of 11 years writes fantasy book using Emacs, and I did not teach him at all how to use it, he just learned it on different computer himself. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/