From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id yAFLIjuOsWMgCwAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 14:44:27 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id WG47ITuOsWOPLwAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 14:44:27 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E49C13A7A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 14:44:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBycv-0000NN-Qt; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:43:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pByct-0000K4-Px for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:43:47 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBycr-0002KF-Ro for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 08:43:47 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.85.159.48]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055D56.0000000063B18DF3.00000C2B; Sun, 01 Jan 2023 06:43:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 16:42:36 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: tomas@tuxteam.de Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: How to disable completely org-persist Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <1158097067.265983.1670026787291@mail1.libero.it> <825716062.1084056.1670146073366@mail1.libero.it> <87k037kcr0.fsf@localhost> <621126175.1192707.1670255220897@mail1.libero.it> <87zgc1u3z8.fsf@yandex.com> <995663126.97424.1672402272044@mail1.libero.it> <1320195435.95009.1672405444651@mail1.libero.it> <874jtc7ppd.fsf@yandex.com> <918543159.136216.1672450183934@mail1.libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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I can see many "aspects": > > - "I don't want my ~/.emacs.d/ littered beyond my explicit > control" Isn't that happening anyway by various packages and functions? I see there "auto-install", "auto-save-list" directories, I did not create them myself. I see "desktop", though I used "desktop" package nobody warned me it will be there. There is "erc-log" which I did not know it will be there, there is "eshell", "games", "icons", "image-dired", "multisession", "newsticker", "todo" and so on, too many. I never had explicit control over creation of those files. Using a package alone is not what I consider under "explicit", as I was not asked directly about any of those directories. > - "I don't have (nor want to have) XDG directories" Me too, I do not want to have, and I do not have, but some XDG environment variables are there. > - "I don't want things in /tmp" [1] Me too, but I keep it in my private $TMPDIR, as it is unsafe to keep it in /tmp I do keep /tmp encrypted for that reason as it is not safe. And my /home is also encrypted on different partition. In general it is unsafe to choose /tmp for private information as then maybe /tmp is not encrypted. > - "I don't want my Emacs's session state to spill to > persistent media" Me too, unless I use "desktop" and that is saved on encrypted partition. But I would not like using Org files on remote servers and that information is anywhere else stored unencrypted about which file I opened and what I wrote. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/